Posts by proplog2

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Society's claim of Matt. 24:14 being fulfilled - What it could really mean

by Jourles in

i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.

24:14 has been fulfilled.

my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?

proplog2

Are you saying it would become T T S The Tract Society?

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MAT 24:14 HAS BEEN FULLFILLED MP3 FROM BETHEL HEAVY

by What-A-Coincidence in

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friends

warning: the wtbts is becoming more cultish as evidenced in this mp3.

listener take heed.

turn on all your cult warning alarms on.. .

proplog2

Community responsibility is a cruel invention of Jehovah's Witnesses to explain why God will have to kill the poorest 1/3 of the population without a thorough witness.

The witnesses have flourished in the richest 1/3 of the world. They have stacks of unplaced literature in their garages and basements. They have computers with CD's containing almost all the magazines, books, pamphlets published since 1950. They have the watchtower on MP3 and tapes so they can listen to it and not even have to read their literature. This richest third of the world drive automobiles to conventions and stay in comfortable motels. Why should God give so much to the rich and then write off the poorest 1/3 of the world with "community responsibility". This is pure arrogance.

The Bible teaches the opposite of community responsibility. Concerning the final judgement (which is the only judgement that really counts) Revelation 21:12,13 says " And I saw the dead, the great and the small standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were JUDGED INDIVIDUALLY according to their deeds."

It doesn't say JUDGED COLLECTIVELY.

It should also be noted that those who are killed at armageddon "the great and the small" are seen standing before the throne to be judged INDIVIDUALLY. And only after they are given a chance to observe the requirements of the "scrolls" do we see that individuals would be thrown into the lake of fire or second death.

The only things thrown into the lake of fire in connection with armageddon are the symbolic Wild Beast and False Prophet. The individual people "were killed off with the long sword." The "long sword" is one of the tools of Death & Hades. "And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a LONG SWORD."

Jehovah's Witnesses HAVE completed their witness work. They have preached to the third of the earth that WILL suffer the direct results of the great tribulation. The richest part of the earth, especially Babylon the Great (USA) have been saturated with warnings of destruction. The fact that they no longer can get significant increases from their extensive efforts means the destruction is near. When JW's see the disgusting thing (nuclear bomb) explode in the USA they will realize it is time to flee from Babylon the Great (USA). JW's will be able to flee the USA to their brothers in Latin America where they will watch from a distance the desolation. At that time people all over the world will realize that these people survived because of their faith.

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What is your Favorite coffee, mocha, latte, cap, etc?

by AK - Jeff in

i am a rather old fogey on the matter - just black and hot.

but i like the occasional mocha.. what use of this universal bean is your favorite?

how many do you drink a week?

proplog2

French pressed African coffees - and without cream & sugar. Occasionally I like the taste of evaporated canned milk - nostalgia thing from early 1950's

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What happened to AlanF

by toreador in

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anybody heard from him lately?

i havent seen a post from him in a long time.. tor.

proplog2

He was in the middle of a debate on evolution. I think he was bored.

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Judge Rutheford on You Tube

by cabasilas in

watch the record spin and the judge preach:.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8j9fbu014.

proplog2

This is a reminder of how long this whole things has been going on.

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Last days, great tribulation and the return of Christ

by S EIGHT in

my journey out began when i came across a google news report highlighting the "quotes" legal case.

although i had "questions" prior.

so that's where i am at the moment although still very "in".

proplog2

The biggest mistake is that the Watchtower is one of those who say "Look! Here is the Christ. Look! He is in the wilderness! Look He is in the inner chambers! The due time has approached!

Obviously those declaring that Christ has come in some way that isn't plainly evident are false prophets. If someone is in the wilderness he's not yet visible. If someone is in the inner chamber you can't see him. There is no need to declare "Look! There he is." if every eye can see him. And when he becomes visible it seems the beholders have no trouble figuring out what they are looking at.

As for the idea that Jesus comes like a thief in the night: 1Thess 5:4 "But you brothers, you are NOT in darkness so that that day should overtake yuou as it would thieves...(6) So then let us stay awake and keep our senses. AND Luke 21:36 "Keep awake, then...that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur and in standing before the son of man."

The signal event is the "disgusting thing standing where it ought not". You need to escape by taking flight. But flight from where to where? That is the important question.

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My Life in The Organization

by sexyk in

hey what's up everyone?

hope everything is going alright.

im not doing too bad, just relaxing and doing alot of thinking.

proplog2

Sometimes I wonder if a person can really be "free" if they never were a slave. Value your experience and the mental toughness it has given you.

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God's Organization Has Needed Adjusting

by The wanderer in

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gods organization has needed adjusting defending the watchtower, many jehovahs witnesses.

point-out the changes that have taken place are nothing more than .

adjustments in understanding.

proplog2

If you are going to be fair -the Bible God appears to have a few faults too!

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Name better ways to attract new people at the Kingdom Hall?

by JH in

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1) build a hall in the center of the city, not far away like they usually do.. 2) make it 1 hour meetings.

3) dress clean, that's all.

4) beards or no beards, that's not important, it's what's in your heart that counts.. .

proplog2

Build a big bell tower and ring it everytime there is a meeting.

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When did it all go wrong for the WTS? I say 1980's.....

by jambon1 in

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after speaking to an elderly jw a few weeks ago, it occured to me that the wts genuinely experienced good times in the 50's and 60's, perhaps the 1970's.

it seemed a good place to be.

people seemed more relaxed.

proplog2

It all started falling apart when Fred Franz started shaping organization policy around entering the promised land. He looked at 1975 as the point where the organization had to become as OCD as he was in order to be "clean" for passage through the great tribulation. Franz was the self-proclaimed visionary and his vision was wrong. He was a crank and Knorr was preoccupied with manufacturing books and magazines.

The largest increases were in the post world war II period up to the mid 1950's. The early 1960's became a period of stagnation. The baby-boomers would have all left the organization if it weren't for the 1975 idea. Many including myself figured they could put their lives on hold until 1975. The baby-boomers were entering the critical life planning stage from 1960-1975. Most of the leadership in the congregations are aging boomers. If it weren't for 1975 the organization would 10 years further in the toilet. If nothing extraordinary happens by 2014 it will decline rapidly.

Of course a die-hard apologist could say that Jehovah preserved the baby-boomers by the 1975 fiasco.