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  Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!

  by Slappy in

  1. watchtower
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  atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.

  give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.

  if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?

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  Slappy,

  Here is something I did a few years ago when I was looking at how the Bible was put together. It is quite long so I will only post the introduction here with a link to the complete text if you are interested.

  Even though it is long, it can be read in about 3 or 4 minutes if you skip over all of the Biblical text.

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  Separating The Two Flood Accounts
  Most people may not realize it, but the Biblical Flood Account actually consists of two interwoven flood narratives.
  

  JEDP Theory
  It seems most modern Bible views concerning the books of Moses pre-suppose the JEDP theory. This documentary theory claims to identify 4 underlying sources or documents in the books of Moses. These presumed documents are called J (for Jahweh) and E (for Elohim) which are names of God; D (for Deuteronimic) and P (for Priestly). Each of these documents are claimed to have their own characteristics and theology, and which surprisingly, often contradict that of the other documents.

  …

  [broken link removed]

  The JEDP theory first came about when it was noticed that at some points in the text of the books of Moses, God was sometimes referred to with the Divine Name, while at other times he was referred to with the title God (Elohim). As the theory developed, the D(euteronimic) and P(riestly) strands were added to the theory.

  An interesting aspect about the restoration of the Divine Name to the OT, (as in the NWT), is that such a translation serves to highlight the locations in the text where the original writers used the Divine Name as opposed to the title God. Although the distinction can be observed in translations that use “LORD” instead, I feel that it is much easier seen in translations such as the NWT.

  So with all that being said, let’s take a look at the text.

  http://home.valornet.com/eldavis/the%20flood.htm
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  Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!

  by Slappy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.

  give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.

  if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?

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  Slappy,

  You covered such a multitude of topics that it would take considerable effort address each issue properly. Instead of trying to address each and every one of the issues you covered individually, may I suggest that you enter the following into your favorite search engine and first get a basic understanding of how it is believed that the Bible was put together.

  Synoptic Gospels

  Elohist

  Yawhist

  After doing a little basic research, you will find that you will have a better foundation to discuss these issues.

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  So, the Witlesses were not the first to spiritualize someone's return???

  by pseudoxristos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems that jesus did the exact same thing.. i ran into this while looking for what the jews believe about elijah:.

  elijah did return.

  in exactly the same way that john the baptist and jesus came down from heaven two thousand years ago.. .

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  pseudoxristos

  It seems that Jesus did the exact same thing.

  I ran into this while looking for what the Jews believe about Elijah:

  ELIJAH ALREADY HAS COME
  The Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day were well aware of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy. At one time the rabbis had asked Jesus' disciples to explain how Jesus could possibly have been the Messiah when it was obvious that Elijah had not returned from heaven yet.

  The Apostles couldn't answer this question, so they asked Jesus:

  "Why do the Jewish leaders insist Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"

  Jesus answered by first affirming that this question was valid and that this prophecy indeed was true. He said:

  "They are right. Elijah must come and set everything in order..."

  But then, to everyone's surprise, Jesus explained:

  "In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist." -Matthew 17:10-13 (LIVING BIBLE-CATHOLIC EDITION) (this account can also be found in: Mark 9:11-13)

  Clearly, Jesus taught that this was a true prophecy. Jesus agreed that Elijah indeed "must return before the Messiah comes." But then, to the surprise to everyone there, Jesus claimed that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of this prophecy.

  ...

  WHAT'S THE POINT?
  According to Jesus, this prophecy concerning the return of Elijah from heaven was not fulfilled literally... in a way that most people could easily identify. Instead, it was fulfilled in a way that most people were not prepared to recognize. Elijah did return. But, it was his "spirit and power" which had returned... and not his fleshly body

  http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/elijah.htm

  Interestingly, the article continues by using the above to argue that Jesus has returned invisibly and Baha'u'llah is the fullfillment of the prophesized return.

  Why is the example of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy important? Today we have the exact same circumstances that we had two thousand years ago. Today most Christians are expecting to see Jesus Christ literally, visibly return from heaven. Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, unmistakably claims to be the fulfillment of the 'return of Christ from heaven' prophecies. Is Baha'u'llah truly the Promised One? Has history repeated itself? Did Baha'u'llah come down from heaven? Yes! In exactly the same way that John the Baptist and Jesus came down from heaven two thousand years ago.

  I can't help wondering why I once bought into religion.

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  Fate & Bible Prophecies-what do you think?

  by DisconnectingDrone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jw's are taught that there is no fate-if fate existed no one would be responsible for what they did?

  however, i always thought their explanation of jehovah selectively looking into the future was fuzzy.

  take the prophecy of cyrus conquering babylon and freeing the israelites back home.

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  Where can I get some of that fungi?

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  Copy of CO Letter/Outline Regarding Education - In Spanish

  by grassyknoll07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this site has a copy of the co outline... in spanish

  http://www.herniacerebral.blogspot.com/

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  Opps.... I didn't realize there was a second page with the translation already done.

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  Copy of CO Letter/Outline Regarding Education - In Spanish

  by grassyknoll07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this site has a copy of the co outline... in spanish

  http://www.herniacerebral.blogspot.com/

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  pseudoxristos

  Here is the spanish version of the text.

  As stated above, it is giving two situations where one is tolerated as long as it doesn't interfere with serving the Org. and the other situation is unexceptable because of wrong motivation and it interferes with serving the Org.

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  Palabras saludables al hablar de la educación seglar (15 min.)
  El objectivo de la educación es poder alabar a jehová (w96 1/2 14 párr. 23).
  Lo que pensamos de la educación revela cuánta fe tenemos en la promesa de Dios de cuidar
  de sus siervos (Mt 6:33; Col 3:23, 24)
  Atender las necesidades personales y familia es un objectivo secundario (1Ti 6:6-8; w96 1/2
  14 párr. 22)
  Para tomar buenas decisiones, hay que prever los costos de la educación superior (Lu 14:28-30)
  Pregunta: ¿Qué costos implica una educación superior? [Monetarios, promueve el deseo de
  prominencia en el sistema de Satanás, ambiente de moral relajada, algunos han abandonado
  la verdad, etc. (w05 1/10 28, 29 párrs. 9-13)]
  Los padres deben ayudar de maneras prácticas a sus hijos a elegir una educación que les propor-
  cione un futuro feliz y duradero
  Concentrarse en las actividades de la congregación produce felicidad (Hch 20:35)
  Los primeros discípulos de Jesús renunciaron a profesiones prometedoras (Mt 4:18-22; 9:9;
  Col 4:14)
  No lo vieron como una pérdida (Mt 19:29)
  ¿Seguiría un hermano satisfaciendo los requisitos para tener privilegios en la congregación si él,
  su esposa o sus hijos cursaran estudios superiores? [pida comentarios breves sobre 1 Timoteo
  3:13 y Tito 1:9]
  Situación: El hijo de un anciano está estudiando la carrera de arquitectura, vive con sus pa-
  dres, es siervo ministerial, ha organizado su educación para que no estorbe las reuniones ne
  el ministerio, cada cierto tiempo es precursor auxiliar y la familia no promueve la idea de
  que otros deberían obtener ese tipo de educación
  Preguntas: Por su modo de vivir y el de su familia, ¿puede decirse que este anciano ense-
  ña a los suyos a poner el Reino en primer lugar? (Mt 6:33.) [Si algún hermano o miembro
  de su familia está recibiendo educación superior para encontrar un trabajo específico,
  no la promueve y está claro que tanto él como su familia buscan primero el Reino, sus
  privilegios de servicio no tienen por qué verse afectados. Algunas profesiones exigen que
  la persona reciba periódicamente cursos de actualización para que no pierda su licencia
  profesional]
  Situación: La hija de un anciano estudia en la universidad lejos de casa con el fin de ganar
  más dinero. El anciano y su esposa están contando a otros hermanos que su hija lo hace por-
  que ellos se lo pidieron pensando en la buena situación económica que ella tendrá y el pres-
  tigio que la familia ganará
  Preguntas: ¿Qué opinión tiene esta familia de lo que el esclavo fiel ha dicho sobre la educa-
  ción superior, según revelan sus plabras y conducta? (Sl 1:2, 3; 1Co 2:13-16; 3Jn 9)
  [Cuando un siervo nombrado promueve la educación superior para obtner ganancia eco-
  nómica o prestigio, esto pone en duda que cumpla los reguisitos para servir a la congrega-
  ción, pues se ven afectadas su franqueza de expresión y la de sus compañeros ancianos]
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  Resurrection Hope - People in the Future who think they have lived before

  by VM44 in

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  2. beliefs

  according to the watchtower, a resurrected being is a body that has placed within it the memories and attributes of a person who had lived before.. the "life force" is transferred to the body to bring it alive.

  also according to the watchtower, the "life force" is impersonal and contains no personality.

  it is like electricity in that it is an actuating force.. ok, so in the future there will be billions of people with memories of having lived on the earth.

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  Interesting point!

  Not only is it illogical to think that a copy of you will actually continue to be you at some future point, but the resurrection hope itself becomes pointless once you're dead.

  Once you're dead according to the Watchtowers definition of death, you will no longer have any desires, much less the desire to be resurrected. Whether you're dead for a day, a million years or all eternity, it's all the same.

  If one truly believes that they will cease to exist at death, then they should also realize any desire to live again will also cease to exist.

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  Words in other languages which have different meanings to when we say them

  by The Nothing Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anybody know of any words, which are spelt and pronounced the same, which are used in other languages but which mean completely different things?

  as an example (which doesn't work i know) love in english means affection, but love in say, spanish, means hate?

  dumb example i know, but do you catch my drift?

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  In Spanish "embarazada" means pregnant.

  The Thai word for a certain kind of squash is "fuk".

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  The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories

  by RunningMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  over the years, i have posted all of the chapters from my atheist's book of bible stories on this site.. however, since the original posting, many of the chapters have been polished and updated.. the complete book is now available for downloading, if anyone is interested: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qwpjol.

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  I would like to look at it, but at the moment I'm in Saudi and due to religious paranoia the Saudi government censors certain Internet sites. I'm not sure why they decided that sendspace.com should be censored, but it seems kind of ironic that I can't look at anti-Christian information because of their censorship.

  Anyway, I thought that I would post here to bookmark the thread so I can look at it when I get out of this forsaken place.

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  YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!! IS THIS DAMAGE CONTROL???

  by whereami in

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  2. friends

  i can't recall seeing this at the kh.

  i just know you guys are going to tear this up.

  there's just so much ammo hear.

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  HappyDad,

  Here is the profile of the goofball that put these videos on YouTube.