Yes.
And I justify this by reasoning that their doctrines concerning blood puts each of them at risk of dying unnecessarily for a publishing company.
pseudo
i remember when i first left i wanted to tell every one i knew how bad/wrong/indoctrinated the jws were.
i was angry at having been deceived for so many years.
now they are just like every other religion if you get to the core of it.
Yes.
And I justify this by reasoning that their doctrines concerning blood puts each of them at risk of dying unnecessarily for a publishing company.
pseudo
the local hall just gave a local needs talk on not circulating losch's talk that's been here on the internet as well as in a number of witness hands.
evidently quite a few jws are listening to the tape, making copies and letting everyone hear it.
well, the "faithful & discreet slave" has said not to do this any longer.
Here are the captions. It sounds like the original is in Italian. It would probably be better if the someone could transcribe the original also.
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p.s. There are a few spelling mistakes in the text. I didn't know whether to correct them or not, so I just left them.
Going to college or not may be a reflexion of your faith, or lack of your faith, and it may indicate how present the imminence of the Great Tribulation is in your mind. What is undoubtable is that the time left is reduced as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7:29.
If you are currently going to college, why don't you meditate in prayer on the possibility of dropping out and doing something better?
But for us, who scrutinize the meaning of world events in the light of Bible prophecy, there are more worthy reasons for not putting a worldy career first in our lives. We could liken ourselves to someone who sees a building with a sign that reads: "This company is running out of business". Would you apply for a job there? Of course not. And if we were working for such a company, we would wisely look for a job elsewhere. Well, on all the institutions of this world lies a sing reading 'imminent liquidation'. The end is near. Yes, the Bible assures us that the world is passing away. Therefore; we will be wise and will not imitate those who are an integral part of it.
Now you have listened to the advice. What will you do now? Some advocate going to college by citing the example of some elders children who are attending college or that did so [in the past]. We are not able, nor willing, to tell you what you should do. Your parents and you should make a decision. We are not the masters over your faith. However, the Faithful and Discreet Slave has the responsibility to warn against spiritual dangers and to encourage to put Kingdom interests first. So, the Slave discourages from going to college for a long period of time.
I have often times heard experiences of individuals who were about to complete their college programs, and who dropped out when they learned the Truth. Some other baptized individuals have turned down scholarships. What will YOU do? What decisions will you make? Will you refuse or not? Will you get a university education or not? You will be accountable to Jehovah for this. We would like to praise those in the audience who dropped out of college when they accepted the Truth, [as we praise] all those who, after listening to this talk, will make the same decision.
Maybe you still want to advocate the possibility of going to college. You may say: "You see, Bother X went to college, and now he is serving in the congregation and is also a pioneer". True, he may have survived college, so to speak. But what follows is a true experience of a young man who suffered from a compulsive disorder which made him wash his hands over and over again, even 100 times a day. This disorder discouraged him so much, that one day he decided to commit suicide. He bought a rifle, put it in his mouth, and pulled the trigger. The bullet, however didn't kill him, but instead perforated the part of his brain that was responsible for his compulsive disorder. He survived and after that he managed to live a normal life. Yes, it's true, he survived, but would you recommend that other people imitate what that young man did? Similarly, some have survived college, but would you recommend that to others? Instead of investing in a higher education, it would be advisable to grow in the knowledge of Jehovah. In order to start knowing the Bible better, we must read the Bible every day. Everyday. Are we doing that?
interesting.. here is the first thing i've found on the subject, though i haven't read much of it yet.. http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm.
pseudo.
Interesting.
Here is the first thing I've found on the subject, though I haven't read much of it yet.
pseudo
having gone to the last dc i realized how much i love a lot of people within the borg.
but i also realized how much i hate listening to the talks.. i've come up with two or three strategies on how to deal.
one is to take advantage of the borg by going to a foreign language congregation.
Go for the foreign language congregation. Not only will you learn a new language, but you will also learn about their culture and make some new friends.
pseudo
As we have gone down the pronunciation road... one of the most memorable talks I ever remember given was about the importance of using correct pronunciation at the door so we don't seem uneducated. The funny thing was the guy giving the talk had the most horrid pronunciation of anyone I knew. He always said Jehover instead of Jehovah. And what was great about the talk is he kept telling us how important correct pro noun ciation was... and he repeated the point over and over throughout his talk.
Ah, memories...
Wow, I remember that talk. It was in a congregation in Oklahoma.
pseudo
day 3 of creation .
gen 1:9-13 .
9 and god went on to say: let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.
Leolaia,
I had come to a similar conclusion several years ago regarding the idea that the writers of Genesis did not realize that the sun was the source of the illumination of the atmosphere. I'm glad to see that you have reached a similar conclusion, as I have not seen this idea expressed elsewhere.
The account only make sense when viewed in this manner. I would imagine that the appearance of the moon during the night without the illumination of the atmosphere gave rise to the idea that day and night were not directly related to the sun (or the illuminaries as seen from their point of view).
Thanks for confirming what I had previously suspected and as always I've enjoyed your well researched posts.
pseudo
atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy,
Here is something I did a few years ago when I was looking at how the Bible was put together. It is quite long so I will only post the introduction here with a link to the complete text if you are interested.
Even though it is long, it can be read in about 3 or 4 minutes if you skip over all of the Biblical text.
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Separating The Two Flood Accounts
Most people may not realize it, but the Biblical Flood Account actually consists of two interwoven flood narratives.
JEDP Theory
It seems most modern Bible views concerning the books of Moses pre-suppose the JEDP theory. This documentary theory claims to identify 4 underlying sources or documents in the books of Moses. These presumed documents are called J (for Jahweh) and E (for Elohim) which are names of God; D (for Deuteronimic) and P (for Priestly). Each of these documents are claimed to have their own characteristics and theology, and which surprisingly, often contradict that of the other documents.
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The JEDP theory first came about when it was noticed that at some points in the text of the books of Moses, God was sometimes referred to with the Divine Name, while at other times he was referred to with the title God (Elohim). As the theory developed, the D(euteronimic) and P(riestly) strands were added to the theory.
An interesting aspect about the restoration of the Divine Name to the OT, (as in the NWT), is that such a translation serves to highlight the locations in the text where the original writers used the Divine Name as opposed to the title God. Although the distinction can be observed in translations that use “LORD” instead, I feel that it is much easier seen in translations such as the NWT.
So with all that being said, let’s take a look at the text.
atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy,
You covered such a multitude of topics that it would take considerable effort address each issue properly. Instead of trying to address each and every one of the issues you covered individually, may I suggest that you enter the following into your favorite search engine and first get a basic understanding of how it is believed that the Bible was put together.
Synoptic Gospels
Elohist
Yawhist
After doing a little basic research, you will find that you will have a better foundation to discuss these issues.
pseudo
it seems that jesus did the exact same thing.. i ran into this while looking for what the jews believe about elijah:.
elijah did return.
in exactly the same way that john the baptist and jesus came down from heaven two thousand years ago.. .
It seems that Jesus did the exact same thing.
I ran into this while looking for what the Jews believe about Elijah:
ELIJAH ALREADY HAS COME
The Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day were well aware of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy. At one time the rabbis had asked Jesus' disciples to explain how Jesus could possibly have been the Messiah when it was obvious that Elijah had not returned from heaven yet.
The Apostles couldn't answer this question, so they asked Jesus:
"Why do the Jewish leaders insist Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"
Jesus answered by first affirming that this question was valid and that this prophecy indeed was true. He said:
"They are right. Elijah must come and set everything in order..."But then, to everyone's surprise, Jesus explained:
"In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist." -Matthew 17:10-13 (LIVING BIBLE-CATHOLIC EDITION) (this account can also be found in: Mark 9:11-13)
Clearly, Jesus taught that this was a true prophecy. Jesus agreed that Elijah indeed "must return before the Messiah comes." But then, to the surprise to everyone there, Jesus claimed that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of this prophecy.
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WHAT'S THE POINT?
According to Jesus, this prophecy concerning the return of Elijah from heaven was not fulfilled literally... in a way that most people could easily identify. Instead, it was fulfilled in a way that most people were not prepared to recognize. Elijah did return. But, it was his "spirit and power" which had returned... and not his fleshly body
http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/elijah.htm
Interestingly, the article continues by using the above to argue that Jesus has returned invisibly and Baha'u'llah is the fullfillment of the prophesized return.
Why is the example of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy important? Today we have the exact same circumstances that we had two thousand years ago. Today most Christians are expecting to see Jesus Christ literally, visibly return from heaven. Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, unmistakably claims to be the fulfillment of the 'return of Christ from heaven' prophecies. Is Baha'u'llah truly the Promised One? Has history repeated itself? Did Baha'u'llah come down from heaven? Yes! In exactly the same way that John the Baptist and Jesus came down from heaven two thousand years ago.
I can't help wondering why I once bought into religion.
pseudo
jw's are taught that there is no fate-if fate existed no one would be responsible for what they did?
however, i always thought their explanation of jehovah selectively looking into the future was fuzzy.
take the prophecy of cyrus conquering babylon and freeing the israelites back home.
Where can I get some of that fungi?
pseudo