Posts by joyfulfader

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Question about blood

by XPeterX in

some jw's accept certain plasma fractions.if the plasma is extracted from human blood then who's blood is it that they use?jw's won't donate blood.do they let others donate blood instead?wtf.

joyfulfader

Btw...i am donating at the next opportunity :)

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Question about blood

by XPeterX in

some jw's accept certain plasma fractions.if the plasma is extracted from human blood then who's blood is it that they use?jw's won't donate blood.do they let others donate blood instead?wtf.

It completely bugs me that witnesses use a product that they refuse to supply. think about taxes...the government uses the money for good things that help society (jws are some of the first to take advantage of these to enable them to pioneer) and then also uses the money for corrupt and violent things. witnesses MUST pay their taxes and get in trouble if they dont (usually). So why cant witnesses donate blood realizing that another "brother" or "sister" might need one of the fractions and just let it be that the blood could be used as a whole?? Seems like the usual BS double standard to me

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New girl in town here for support

by joyfulfader in

hi everyone here on jwn.

i admit to being a lurker for quite some time before joining and now i am ready to post and i want to introduce myself.

i am/was 3rd generation and daughter of the po (as it was termed at the time) for most of my life.

joyfulfader

@jws- I totally expect to feel the same way about churches esp the kinetic one my friend at work invited me to. The music she shared from her ipod was surprisingly heavier than the bland christian bands i have heard. lots of guitar and bass. Not bad. But i really think that the music is all the church is about so leaning toward the not going. Its interesting that you ask if someone had it out for me. My experiences involved 2 separate congregations. In the first scenario my ex was one of them...a recently appointed elder so i dont think they wanted to believe that he was doing what he was doing since he was "appointed by holy spirit" by them while he was living a double life of drugs, alcohol and women. I was easy to find. I was right there and by disfellowshipping me they could appear to be being proactive about a public situation. I suppose in their eyes i was the easy prey since my ex disappeared. I cannot say what caused the second...except maybe the matchmaking elder on a power trip realized he should get out of the business of matchmaking after he matched several disatrous relationships and mine was one of the public disasters so he had to save face by villianizing me and I was told that as an attractive woman i was trouble. What??? What was so horrible about that situation was that the entire body of elders was divided and the congregation suffered and the disunity led to one bad thing after another with other people after I left. But as I was told by someone, i can be the scapegoat because i dont go anymore. Let them think that. I can stand before God and hope there is a recording of all events during that time and feel good about my actions as a Christian. This is another time that my motto of telling the truth no matter what because lies are too hard to keep straight comes in handy. No matter how a question is worded, no matter when...the answer wont change because i dont have to think about what i said to whom. When I realized truth is not important to them that was my cue...never go back.

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New girl in town here for support

by joyfulfader in

hi everyone here on jwn.

i admit to being a lurker for quite some time before joining and now i am ready to post and i want to introduce myself.

i am/was 3rd generation and daughter of the po (as it was termed at the time) for most of my life.

joyfulfader

thanks Poppers...i have been invited to 4 churches...a non denominational modern church, non rolling in the aisle pentacostal, liberal baptist and assemblies of god. have avoided such for the very reasons you mention. i do not want to trade one set of beliefs for another. i am a smart woman (despite the 39 yrs it took to find my freedom) and i have no intention of joining any organized religion until i am ok spiritually. my heart and spirituality are mine and mine alone. i will find the truth i need...i am positively sure of this. i am a determined, independent woman and am not about to give up.

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New girl in town here for support

by joyfulfader in

hi everyone here on jwn.

i admit to being a lurker for quite some time before joining and now i am ready to post and i want to introduce myself.

i am/was 3rd generation and daughter of the po (as it was termed at the time) for most of my life.

joyfulfader

you guys have no idea how much your words here have encouraged me. i dont feel so alone anymore.

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Thought Reform and the Psychology of the 'Safeguard Your Heart!' 2012 Convention

by breakfast of champions in

to make attendance at my second district convention "mentally out" both a little more bearable and meaningful, i decided to take some notes of key points as if i were an outsider studying the thought reform methods of jehovah's witnesses.

at first, i was only going to share these notes with my therapist, but inspired by the "parsing the watchtower double-speak" thread, i figured i would share my amateur analysis with everyone.

here are some of the highlights:.

joyfulfader

i live by the motto that truth never changes because its too hard keeping up with all the lies. when you only tell the truth you have nothing to keep track of. remembering facts is enough to answer anyone. Lies catch up with you and one would think someone in NY would realize this and just stop but they cant. now they have to keep everyone in line so they are too afraid to ask the questions about the lies. so glad i dont have to endure another DC. my heart is mine. not sharing it with a hypocritical cult.

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The Resurrection - Gender-less Humans or Spirit Beings?

by Badfish in

"in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

" (mathew 22:30).

also, what about their offspring?

joyfulfader

I asked those very questions and am continuing to ask them. I always thought it was unfair to allow the 6 or 7 million people that would survive Armageddon (based on the current number of jws since of course it would only be jws there) to continue having sex and the 20 billion people that have ever lived would have to be celibate upon their resurrection. I don't think that would be a pleasant thought if I was one of the resurrected and i remember having the debates over whether or not people would wear clothing in the paradise earth. If the resurrected are truly genderless humans the clothing/no clothing thing does make for interesting questions for the children to ask...hmmmmmm...yet another thought to ponder.

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New girl in town here for support

by joyfulfader in

hi everyone here on jwn.

i admit to being a lurker for quite some time before joining and now i am ready to post and i want to introduce myself.

i am/was 3rd generation and daughter of the po (as it was termed at the time) for most of my life.

joyfulfader

@jws Thank you so much for the valuable input. Your experience with your dad sounds like mine and you are so right...just leave it alone. My sisters faded years ago and my parents have now set a precedent so they cant shun me. They are a bit harder on me overall because i was "the good girl" who always did the right thing but i cant see how they could stand to lose us all because of a change in how to treat inactive ones. I will look up that bible website. Sounds like a great way to compare translations. I have quite a bit of work ahead of me. i so wish I was where no one had any idea i was ever associated with the witnesses but i am here and have to deal with that for now.

It may seem strange but until I introduced myself and read the posts here I kept thinking I needed help from outside sources to study to figure out what I believe (we always had to have a book to study). It never actually occurred to me to just read the BIBLE!!! Yes I am comparing and reading translations but I keep trying to use other books to figure things out. I think I am going to put away everything but the Bible. Maybe outside works will be helpful down the road but I think the Bible is the beginning as it should be (still going to read Crisis of Conscience and Hassan's books just for cult enlightenment).

Thanks so much everyone!!!

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