Nitty-Gritty

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  Who is considered more bizarre?

  by incognito2014 in

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  jws or mormons.

  from a public point of view not from people within the religion as that would be obvious.. examples of extreme beliefs or behaviour would be useful..

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  "They only ask for two years of door to door service then it's on to the rest of their lives"

  Without coffee and alcohol
  
  
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  Young children and Corona @ jw.org OMG

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  exploiding children for jw.org.. remember i was a young child, 40 years ago i wrote an article about the bible, from watchtower and awake sources.. still wish i never did.

  my teacher gave me hell and said no more of this shit.. since then i was scared for being a jw.. now, i read this, shit hit the fan again.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/young-witnesses-become-resourceful-evangelizers-during-pandemic/.

  g..

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  @smiddy3

  So you're saying all those "millions of gullible" witnesses are trying to get their relatives, friends and loved ones back in so that more money is going in the contribution box??
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  Young children and Corona @ jw.org OMG

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  exploiding children for jw.org.. remember i was a young child, 40 years ago i wrote an article about the bible, from watchtower and awake sources.. still wish i never did.

  my teacher gave me hell and said no more of this shit.. since then i was scared for being a jw.. now, i read this, shit hit the fan again.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/young-witnesses-become-resourceful-evangelizers-during-pandemic/.

  g..

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  @Toesup

  "That is NOT a genuine love, just an agenda to get you back in".

  And to ge you back in is what for exactly?
  
  
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  Young children and Corona @ jw.org OMG

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  exploiding children for jw.org.. remember i was a young child, 40 years ago i wrote an article about the bible, from watchtower and awake sources.. still wish i never did.

  my teacher gave me hell and said no more of this shit.. since then i was scared for being a jw.. now, i read this, shit hit the fan again.. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/young-witnesses-become-resourceful-evangelizers-during-pandemic/.

  g..

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  The fault was not with you obviously but the teacher. Was he an atheist by any chance?

  In any case, I don't see anything wrong with the children getting involved in encouraging their neighbors during this stressful time. It looks like the majority of those people appreciated the effort these children put in, unlike your teacher.

  Those children are developing a selfless attitude, wanting to help others. Better than getting bored and getting up to no good. My husband is a teacher working from home right now because of the pandemic. He is having to constantly call the parents about missed work etc. and he keeps being told that the children are missbehaving and that they (the parents) don't know what to do with them...
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  Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

  i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

  but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

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  AlainAlam

  It seems their intentions were to put the readers mind at ease, that they have not committed fornication if they remarried because they did so in good faith, relying on the information from the WT, as they were told to. So I don't see any ill intent there.
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  Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

  i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

  but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

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  @AlainAlam

  I somehow cannot see that unrepentance is same as bad intent. The intent was obviously not bad, you already agreed with that earlier. As regards the lack of apology/unrepentance well that really is something the readers do not need to worry about, as their (the readers) action (divorcing) was done in good faith, relying on information from WT. It is the WT that will be held accountable by God, not the reader who acted in good faith.
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  Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

  by AlainAlam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

  now some of you still believe in the bible.

  to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

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  @AlainAlam

  You don't believe in the Bible and you don't believe in God, so we all evolved and we are all going to die with no hope of something after. So what does it matter that some people believe the opposite? I think one should respect the belief of others, especially when that person is obviously happy and content believing what they do. This is why Jws will only seek out people who show interest in what they have to say, there's obviously no point trying to convert someone if they don't want to be converted. People who insist that others see things their way are controlling and disrespectful.
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  Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

  i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

  but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

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  @AlainAlam

  So what was your point? I thought you were looking for proof of maliciousness. Not apologizing properly and not admitting a mistake is no proof of malicious intent, it's more to do with a lack of humility. I must admit, the WT is not known for apologizing for their mistakes. Fruits of repentance though are not apologies. They are more than words, they are "fruits" which means they are actual actions. The mistake was rectified and I suppose that was deemed sufficient in the eyes of the WT. Of course in the end everyone will have to answer for their mistakes to God.

  Second, if someone divorces their mate on account of lewd conduct, you KNOW they were not prepared to work things out, either the offended mate or the one causing the offence. Also, the one causing the offence may have not been a JW, so may have had different standards. There are several scenarios. but it was obviously something not intended to be taken lightly, just as an excuse for divorce at slight sign of trouble or sexual preferences. It had to be very disturbing to one mate, with no sign of a resolution, or compromise as it was with the example of the sister I mentioned.
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  Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

  by AlainAlam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

  now some of you still believe in the bible.

  to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

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  @AlainAlam (sorry, posted this in the wrong topic)
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  Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

  i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

  but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

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  @AlainAlam,

  I think you need to rephrase "they played a direct role in breaking marriages up" . The reason why the question of lewd practices within the framework of a marriage even came up was because one of the marriage mates abhorred such practices, this is why the original article mentions "the offended party". There was a sister in my old congregation whose husband wanted her to perform oral sex on him. She was disgusted with this and found him disgusting. She was torn between "obeying" her husband and her belief that what he wanted was a "lewd" practice. This was in the late 80's so no divorce for her! However, she would have loved it if she could have divorced him on the grounds of porneia.

  What I find disturbing though is by whose authority can the WT say it's ok if you got an unscriptural divorce? I guess they must reckon that since whoever did this, did so in good faith, i.e. believed what the WT said about lewdness within marriage being porneia and therefore Jehovah will not hold them accountable. But the question remains, will Jehovah hold those who made such assertions accountable? Well you already mentioned that this mistake was not intentional, therefore perhaps Jehovah did overlook it...

  In summary, I do not think this was a case of breaking marriages apart. The marriages were already broken if there existed sexual disharmony among the marriage mates. And as regards unscriptural remarriage, well that was no fault of the marriage mates who were only acting on the WT's misinterpretation, and this misinterpretation was a mistake and not done out of malice.