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THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

leaving_quietly

Apparently, the talk was entitled "Choosing the Best Way of Life", and was given at the 1979 "Living Hope" District Convention. This talk, I presume, was the one that released the book by the same name.

Another quote: w80 3/15 p.17 par 4.

In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.
(italics theirs)

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For JWS: Do you believe Jesus or only what you are told about Jesus?

by Kosonen in

that's the question l would like to ask every jehovah's witness: do you believe jesus or do you only believe what you are told about jesus?

(by the watchtower?).

if you only believe what the watchtower or the governing body tell you about jesus with their selected quotes from the bible.then in fact you don't believe jesus.

leaving_quietly

That's strange they would say that as the phrase "true Christians" is drilled into almost every single article published, referring to JWs.

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WHAT THE WTBATS STATED IN THE MOST RECENT WT!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

the recent wt states : if you don't follow, obey and listen to every word we say, and decide to change on a whim, you will be dfed and not allowed to see your family and friends!!!

we dont care if we are wrong because we will just say the light is getting brighter and not apologize, and if you don't think the light is getting brighter you will be dfed, even if it comes out years later that you were right and we were wrong you will still be dfed!!!

that's because we are just evil men not inspired by god but inspired by our own selfish hearts!!!

leaving_quietly

We dont care if we are wrong because we will just say the light is getting brighter and not apologize, and if you don't think the light is getting brighter you will be DFed, even if it comes out years later that you were right and we were wrong you will still be DFed!!!

Yes, the entire JW religion, instilled by words of WT publications is way more like the disciples in this instance.

In response John said: “Instructor, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he is not following with us.” But Jesus said to him: “Do not YOU men try to prevent [him], for he that is not against YOU is for YOU.” - Luke 9:49,5-

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THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

leaving_quietly

1980 Yearbook, pp. 30-31:

Many were the appreciative comments heard on the symposium dealing with “Soundness of Mind in a Mixed-up World.” These talks underscored the value of cultivating a realistic view of life; of forming trusted relations with Jehovah God and our brothers; of strengthening our Bible-based hope and the will to live, as well as of allowing for variety and recreation in one’s life. A fine point made in the talk “Choosing the Best Way of Life” was that Jehovah God will save us from stumbling—even as he did David in the case of Nabal’s insolence—but we must do our part. The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.

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THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

leaving_quietly

Proclaimer's book: p. 104:

At the convention held in Baltimore, Maryland, F. W. Franz gave the concluding talk. He began by saying: “Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, ‘Say, what does this 1975 mean?’” Brother Franz then referred to the many questions that had arisen as to whether the material in the new book meant that by 1975 Armageddon would be finished, and Satan would be bound. He stated, in essence: ‘It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.’

In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah’s Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel. However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (page 17). But Jehovah’s Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah’s will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation.

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Yay!! I got a valuable piece of garbage

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i got what could well be the craziest wbts book: the finished mystery!!.

relatively cheap, 65 bucks.

can't wait till i have it in my hands!!.

leaving_quietly

You're right of course. The Publisher's Preface is a big deal. Paragraphs 2 and 3 show how they thought Russell was the Laodicean Messenger and faithful steward "beyond question of a doubt". The scans of the 1918 edition are at https://archive.org/details/TheFinishedMystery, in case you're interested.

From the Publisher's Preface:

Through St. John the Lord Jesus revealed the fact that
the Church would be developed during seven distinct
periods, or epochs; and that for each of these epochs
He would have a special angel, or messenger, to
serve the other members of the Body. It follows,
then, that the messenger to the last, or Laodicean,
epoch would declare the Presence of the Lord and the
time of the Harvest of the Gospel Age. The great
Master laid special emphasis on the importance of the
messenger to the seventh, or Laodicean, period of the
Church, saying that such an one would be "a faithful
and wise servant, whom his Lord would make ruler
over all His Household, to give them meat in due
season."

Those consecrated Christians who have read and
fully appreciated the Truth as contained in the
preceding six volumes of STUDIES IN THE
SCRIPTURES readily see and agree that Charles
Taze Russell was the messenger of the Church of
Laodicea. In the mind of every one who believes the
Bible the evidence set forth in this volume will
establish that fact beyond the question of a doubt.

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Yay!! I got a valuable piece of garbage

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i got what could well be the craziest wbts book: the finished mystery!!.

relatively cheap, 65 bucks.

can't wait till i have it in my hands!!.

leaving_quietly

Wow... I got mine in PDF format from Google Books Online for free. Sorry you had to pay.

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Finished_Mystery.html?id=dDQSOQV2RBIC

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Can you explain something to me?

by quellycatface in

can you wonderful people please explain in simple terms what was the major doctrinal change in july?

i know it a biggie because it's talked about alot on here.. all information will be gratefully received.. thank you friends..

leaving_quietly

Multiple changes... quick synopsis off the top of my head

- The GB alone is the FDS (instead of all of the anointed being the FDS and the GB being its representative)

- The FDS didn't exist prior to 1919 (instead of FDS existing since 33 C.E.)

- C.T. Russell is not part of the FDS. He was a forefunner, though.

- The feeding of the 5000 by Jesus means that many people would be fed spiritually by a few (the GB)

- The FDS has not been appointed over ALL of Jesus beloingings (that's future)... this is big because the OD book says the number one reason we should trust the FDS is because Jesus appointed them over all his belongings. This is not true anymore.

- The domestics now include the Great Crowd (used to be just the anointed)

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Could this be the Atom Bomb when it comes to waking up Someone? Could it Work?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

could this be the home run swing when it comes to waking up a spouse?

could it work?

yesterday i was checking out this website http://howcultswork.com/.

leaving_quietly

Thanks for posting this.

They tell you that they are not a cult.
This is a preemptive strike against the warnings from friends and family members which they know will come. In fact some cults go as far to tell you that Satan will try and dissuade you by sending family members and friends to tell you it is a cult. When this tactic is used then often a warped form of logic occurs in the recruits’ mind, the “agents of Satan” do come and tell them that it is a cult. So since the group predicted that would happen, the group therefore must true! Basically if any group tells you that they are not a cult, or that some people call them a cult, then for goodness sake find out why!

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Strange things happening...

by DS211 in

jw
friends

some strange things are happening.. 1. wife started smoking.

2. wife agreed that the whole "clean up after armageddon while growing to perfection" thing is all speculation.. 3. as i was going to the meeting tonight (i had a part and kids are sick so she stayed in) she says "do you have to go?"..

4. when i got home she says " i wanna go out and party..... hmmmmmm.

leaving_quietly

She's smoking? Why are you going at all? Call me confused.

leaving_quietly

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