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  The Scriptural Meeting JW's Don't Have

  by metatron in

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  do you ever read in your bible about a "service meeting"?

  how about the "theocratic ministry school"?.

  the society has to reach back into the ot to justify its assemblies and conventions, as with national holidays in ancient israel.. yet, there is no official modern-day version of this:.

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  leaving_quietly

  villagegirl, in my post, I said JWs believed this, not that I did. Sorry I wasn't clearer with that. When talking with JWs, you have to use their own interpretations against them, which can be done in Hebrews 10:24,25 since they apply the verses prior to just the 144,000.
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  1st Century GB... Peter

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
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  was there a 1st century gb?

  jws say, it was centralized in jerusalem, and they use acts 15 to prove it.

  however, today's wt study shows something interesting.

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  leaving_quietly

  non believer, welcome... first three posts!

  Please introduce yourself on a new thread and let us know a little about yourself.

  Just for clarification, this site is full of ex-JWs and current JWs who no longer believe their teachings. It's a support group, and it's a way to expose what they teach as false.
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  A suggestion for Fading Dubs. STOP SINGING!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  whether or not you realize it [ many of you do ], words have power.

  think of the power of the human voice.

  think of a beautiful song, or a symphony.

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  leaving_quietly

  Damn it Beavis, I thought I was the only one miming!!!

  So many of the songs lyrics are propagating the "twisted things" in the Org's doctrines - waken up brothers!

  Yes, I agree. Actually, the songs give great material for studying up on. I also have noted that while these are supposed to be praises to Jehovah, many are directed at other Witnesses and what we're supposed to do and not to God. It's the equivelant of singing praises to ourselves.
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  Peter in Babylon? - 1 Peter 5:13

  by Bobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for any looking over the wt study article for 3-30-2014, paragraph 9 refers to peter spending time in babylon.

  the paragraph speaks of peter living in babylon as if it were a well established fact.

  in fact, the only evidence for this idea is 1 peter 5:13.. see here for a writeup that analyzes 1 peter 5:13 and whether "babylon" really means the city of babylon.

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  There's another angle to this. I also questioned that he wrote it in Babylon, but I really don't care one way or another. If so, though, it kinda blows up the whole GB in the 1st century in Jerusalem thing. If there was a 1st century GB, why would they not all stay in Jerusalem?
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  I dont care if i Die at armageddon if.....

  by Jon Preston in

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  liverpool won the league!

  :-).

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  The Scriptural Meeting JW's Don't Have

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you ever read in your bible about a "service meeting"?

  how about the "theocratic ministry school"?.

  the society has to reach back into the ot to justify its assemblies and conventions, as with national holidays in ancient israel.. yet, there is no official modern-day version of this:.

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  leaving_quietly

  Not Biblical, no, but then again, not not Biblical. There's no prohibition against such things.

  That said, Hebrews 10 is an interesting chapter. It continues from chapter 9 which talks about the new covenant, which we all know JWs believe that only the 144,000 are part of. In fact chapter 10:19 talks about having "boldness for the way of entry into the holy place by the blood of Jesus" which is most definitely only applied to the 144,000. If this is the case and the audience is really those left of the 144,000, then verses 24 and 25 also only have application to those of the 144,000. There is no change in audience in these verses.
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  Interesting Choice of Words

  by piztjw in

  1. watchtower
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  i get into words, and why certain words are used, and the meaning of certain words as they are used, especially by the wt&t$.

  i noticed the way this statement about relief work in the phillipines news article on j.worg was written:.

  "an estimated 15 to 20 percent of those seeking refuge at the site are non-witnesses.".

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  leaving_quietly

  That is definition #2, according to your dictionary. Definition #1 (via the online Merriam-Webster dictionary) is: " not : other than : reverse of : absence of". There is nothing wrong with using "non-Witnesses" and most certainly was not intended to belittle them. Sometimes we get a little sensitive on stuff like this, reading into it things that most likely are not there.
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  1st Century GB... Peter

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
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  was there a 1st century gb?

  jws say, it was centralized in jerusalem, and they use acts 15 to prove it.

  however, today's wt study shows something interesting.

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  leaving_quietly

  Was there a 1st century GB? JWs say, it was centralized in Jerusalem, and they use Acts 15 to prove it. However, today's WT study shows something interesting. Peter, a pillar, an apostle, MOVED TO BABYLON!(par. 9: "Some time after that meeting, Peter went to live in Babylon...")

  The book of 1 Peter is presumed to be written from there, according to the All Scriptures book, and likely because of the the closing at 1 Pet 5:13: "She who is in Babylon, a chosen one like you, sends you her greetings, and so does Mark, my son." Other sources agree (e.g. http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/online-bible/scholar-notes/niv-study-bible/intro-to-1-peter/)

  If there was a 1st century GB, why would they not all stay in Jerusalem?

  EDIT: Bobcat has a thread on this already... moving my comments over there. (Didn't see it before I started this topic).

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/278549/1/Peter-in-Babylon-1-Peter-5-13
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  "Scriptural" Baptism

  by NeverKnew in

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  i was told that jws baptize in the name of the father, son and the holy spirit.

  i asked if it was done exactly as stated in the bible to be sure i was hearing the answer correctly.

  the response i got was "yes!

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  leaving_quietly

  I should rephrase this:

  There is no passage that even alludes to baptism being linked to Christ's sacrifice.

  There is a passage that discuss baptism into Christ's death. (Romans 6:3).

  "What are we to say then? Should we continue in sin so that undeserved kindness may increase? Certainly not! Seeing that we died with reference to sin, how can we keep living any longer in it? Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life. If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection." - Rom 6:1-5.

  Again, JWs believe baptism into Christ and baptism into Christ's death are reserved only for the anointed. Christ's death WAS a sacrifice, so my original statement is not quite correct. So, let me amend that to say:

  There is no passage that alludes to baptism being on the basis of Christ's sacrifice. There is a passage that says baptism into Christ IS baptism into his death. However, this does not apply to the vast majority of JWs.
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  Mud slide in WA state - sister at Assembly

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  look for it in the yearbook next year.

  there was an assembly the day of the big mudslide in washington last saturday.

  a sister's life was saved because she obediently attended the assembly and thus was not home when a huge mudslide hit her neighborhood and buried and killed lots of people.

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  leaving_quietly

  Look for it in the Yearbook next year. There was an assembly the day of the big mudslide in Washington last Saturday. A sister's life was saved because she obediently attended the assembly and thus was not home when a huge mudslide hit her neighborhood and buried and killed lots of people. Her house was destroyed. (I heard all this second-hand, but have no reason to doubt its validity.)

  If you haven't heard about this mudslide, it's pretty tragic. It was huge, one of the biggest ones I've ever heard of. CNN has some reporting on it.

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/26/us/washington-landslide-vignettes/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

  Personally, I'm thankful she was at the assembly and not at home when this happened. I'm saddened, though, that this will be an example of "Jehovah's hand" in things. I will tell anyone who says something like this, "Well, just remember what Ecclesiastes 9:11 says: 'time and unforeseen occurrences' (or as it now says, 'time and unexpected events') befall us all. Even Jesus did not attribute those being killed as being disobedient. Remember his comment about the 18 killed when the tower fell? He asked if they had greater guilt than the rest in Jerusalem, and he answered that they did not."