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  International conventions - Seattle

  by Lynnie in

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  just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

  will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

  stadium.

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  Our cong. is doing the same thing. The bus system from where we are is spotty, so it makes sense. But the rental is pretty spendy. Can't recall the exact cost, but I was surprised when it was talked about months ago. The cong. isn't fleecing. The money is going directly to the bus company. But the fact that WTBTS put an International Convention in Seattle in an OUTDOOR STADIUM kinda makes one wonder what they were thinking. The weather could be nice in July, but it could also be miserable. We'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.
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  COBE cannot be 80 or more

  by fader77 in

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  a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

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  Thanks, Fader77. This is actually quite outrageous. The COBE isn't really all that special of a position. This person schedules Service Meeting parts, maybe public talks (though that's usually delegated to someone else), handles scheduling meetings, and is basically a point of correspondance for the branch. This is absolutely ludicrous. The GB is in a much, much more responsible position, yet they can be on the GB? That makes no sense. Also, they got rid of the title "Presiding Overseer" because it seemed to give too much authority to one elder on the body. This was emphasized when it went to Coordinator of the Body of Elders. This change makes it seems like this one position DOES actually have more authority.

  This religion is getting weirder by the second.
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  COBE cannot be 80 or more

  by fader77 in

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  a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

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  Really need to see this in PDF form... not that I don't believe this weirdness, but a PDF would be most helpful.
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  The Rants of a Dumbass Elder Still Serving

  by TTATTelder in

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  ok in the effort of full disclosure, i have had a couple of drinks and recently experienced a circuit assembly and a bad experience with a co.. i don't know where to effing begin.

  first of all the circuit assembly was a joke.

  half the assembly was about pioneering and selling your soul to be a no-pay salesman for the borg.

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  Let's clear up this tiny little matter about Christ's ruling. WTBTS has unwittingly said what the Bible has been saying all along. Christ's rule is not just 1000 years long. The 1000 years is the length of time that the holy ones are to rule with Christ.

  Rev 20:4-6: "And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."

  It's true that WTBTS views Christ as ruling only for 1,000 years, though. They call it "Christ's Thousand Year Reign" and the "Thousand Year Reign of Christ". These are both incorrect. The Bible speaks of him ruling forever. (Isa 9:7; Luke 1:22,23). Even after the 1,000 years, Christ is shown as the Lamb having a throne in New Jerusalem along with God. (Rev. 22:3,4). 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 speaks of Christ handing over the Kingdom at the end and subjecting himself to his Father. That doesn't mean he stops ruling as a king. To me, it means that he fully accomplished that which his Father appointed him to do, up to and including abolishing death. After that, based on Revelation 22:3, 4 it seems they rule together as co-rulers.

  The 1,000 years, though, only applies to the time Satan is abyssed, and is also the length of time that those holy ones are to rule with Christ.

  This is how I presently understand things.
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  Taking care of aging parents

  by skeeter1 in

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  i hear that a recent talk was about taking care of one's aging parents.

  i agree.

  generally, kids should take care of aging parents.

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  This was the subject of the WT study for the last two weeks. A comment from a middle-aged sister: "We are GOING to get old. We can't stop it."

  I guess this writer(s) of these two articles and the majority of JW don't agree with the GB about it being the last day (or is it now the last hour?) of the last days. I mean, why have planning for elderly care articles when this system is going to end "very soon"?
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  Daniel chapter 9

  by Doug Mason in

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  i have scanned daniel chapter 9 as it is rendered in english by the hebrew tanakh (masoretic text - mt) and by the greek septuagint (lxx).. http://www.jwstudies.com/daniel_9_in_mt_and_in_lxx.pdf.

  read verses 24 to 27 carefully.. doug.

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  Congregation rebels!

  by A.proclaimer in

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  my congregation got a reminder today to start donating money.

  elder said that after the letter on the new donation arrangement was read, the contributions for that fund went from the average (i believe it was $500 or so) to $0.

  after that reminder, cash was put into those boxes.

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  The fake notice that Zoos posted is closer to reality than you think. If a cong. misses a monthly EFT (Electrronic Funds Transfer) which is due on a certain day each month, they absolutely do get a notice. I've seen this personally. No late fee, of course, but definitely a notice.
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  Survey---who is inactive, disfellowshipped/disassociated or active?

  by minimus in

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  i am inactive for about 10 years now..

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  leaving_quietly

  Active for family for now, mentally out for 2 years.
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  A glaring example of how Watchtower's insertion of "Jehovah" corrupts the NT

  by Island Man in

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  "the rnwt replaces "kyrios" (lord) with "jehovah" in translating romans 14:8 as follows:.

  "for if we live, we live to jehovah,*+ and if we die, we die to jehovah.

  * so both if we live and if we die, we belong to jehovah.".

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  It would make an interesting study to comb through the NWT and carefully examine the context of every insertion of "Jehovah" in the NT to see how many obvious instances of such glaring errors, exist. Maybe even publish the findings online.

  Perhaps this site would be of interest: http://www.tetragrammaton.org/

  Specifically look at http://www.tetragrammaton.org/copydivname.html
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  Why Did the Governing Body Change Their Interpretation Of Matthew 24:45-47?

  by Cameron_Don in

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  some have wondered if "captives of a concept" had anything to do with why the governing body changed their interpretation of the most important scripture in their theology at their annual meeting on october 6, 2012.. this is because the book places great emphasis on the societys interpretation of matthew 24:45-47 and then holds them to it while examining the organizations history to make sure that went on in its history fits their interpretation.

  this comparison is essential to the societys claim to being gods organization.. their previous interpretation came from their former most imminent bible scholar president frederick franzs in his "gods kingdom of a thousand years has approached.

  " their history comes from their "jehovahs witnesses proclaimers of gods kingdom.".

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  It may move their appointment to all his belongings to the future, but we must not forget that they also changed what that means. It used to be that "all his belongings" included:

  These “belongings” include the growing “great crowd” of “other sheep.” - w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3

  Moreover, Jesus Christ has appointed the faithful and discreet slave “over all his belongings”—all Kingdom interests on earth. (Matt. 24:47) Included among these belongings are the facilities at the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses, at branch offices in various lands, and at Assembly Halls and Kingdom Halls worldwide. Included too is the work of Kingdom-preaching and disciple-making. - w09 2/15 p. 26 par. 9

  These things have been moved to the status of "domestics" and their current responsibility:

  13 Who, then, are the domestics? Put simply, they are those who are fed. Early in the last days, the domestics were all anointed ones. Later, the domestics came to include the great crowd of other sheep. The other sheep now make up the vast majority of the “one flock” under Christ’s leadership. (John 10:16) Both groups benefit from the same timely spiritual food that is dispensed by the faithful slave. What about the Governing Body members who today make up the faithful and discreet slave? Those brothers also need to be fed spiritually. Hence, they humbly recognize that as individuals they are domestics just like all the rest of Jesus’ genuine followers.

  14 Jesus placed a weighty responsibility on the faithful and discreet slave. In Bible times, a trusted slave, or steward, was a house manager. (Luke 12:42) The faithful and discreet slave is thus charged with the responsibility to manage the household of faith. That responsibility includes overseeing material assets, the preaching activity, assembly and convention programs, and the production of Bible literature for use in the field ministry and in personal and congregation study. The domestics depend on all the spiritual provisions dispensed by the composite slave.
  
  - w13 7/15 p. 23 pars. 13,14

  Thus, while admitting (and properly so) that Christ has not yet appointed them over all his belongings, they take what used to be considered all his belongings and placed them under their current charge.

  Back to the OP, though, a passage that comes to mind is 2 Cor 11:12-15:

  But what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis for being found equal to us in the things about which they boast. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.

  This may very well indicate that the disguise changes over time.