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For example, the Proclaimers book on page 133 has a footnote near a sentence that says that the bible students believed that Christ's presence began in 1874. The footnote says, in part, "A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free,” and it was then refined the following year in the book “The Kingdom Is at Hand,” as well as in later publications." That makes one think that the understanding of 1914 as the beginning of Christ's presence didn't come out until 1943. Very contrary to popular thinking that they always understood 1914 this way.

This is backed up by the book "God's Kingdom Has Approached!". In chapter 11, pages 209-210, paragraph 55, it says this, very pointedly:

"In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free.” In its chapter 11, entitled “The Count of Time,” it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man’s existence into the decade of the 1970’s. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia."

So, the understanding of 1914 did not come about until 1943.

The Bible, on the other hand, has a footnote on Hebrews 5:9 (using the old NWT Reference version) on the phrase "had been made perfect". The footnote reads: "Or, “after he had been inaugurated (installed; empowered; consecrated to office).” Gr., te·lei·o·theis′. See Le 21:10 ftn. Compare Le 8:33 ftn." The NWT, the JW Bible itself, admits Christ was inaugurated to office long, long before 1914.

These are the things that helped open my eyes a bit to the false teachings of JWs.

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1971 The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah-How?

by Cadydriver in

i am doing some research and i could use a pdf copy of the wbts 1971 book " the nations shall know that i am jehovah-how?

" does anyone have i copy i can download?

thanks,.

leaving_quietly

Try this one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wm5mvnvd5iylowb/1971-The-Nations-Shall-Know.pdf

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1971 The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah-How?

by Cadydriver in

i am doing some research and i could use a pdf copy of the wbts 1971 book " the nations shall know that i am jehovah-how?

" does anyone have i copy i can download?

thanks,.

leaving_quietly

Sure. I've shared it here. Will stop sharing in 24 hours. You'll get redirected to Word Online. Just click the download link near the top left.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8B0F37BD998C2155%21111

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Please help me destroy the logic of October 2014 Conversation With a Neighbor.

by kneehighmiah in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20141001/gods-kingdom-prophecy-1/.

this has got to be a joke.

anyone with half a brain would destroy the logical fallicies in this article.

leaving_quietly

I'm really glad they're trotting out this particular thing again. Can't wait for the November article that brings up Luke 21:24. Talk about cherry-picking. And, using Daniel 12:8, which was a different vision at a different time in Daniel's life as proof he didn't understand? He DID understand! Notably, they left out the interpretation and Daniel himself saying it was fufilled (Dan 4:24-28).

In preview for next month, Luke 21:24 will be brought out. Noteworthy is the phrase "and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations". The Greek word for "will be" is "estai" is in the FUTURE tense in this verse, so CANNOT be talking about something that happened 600 years in the past when Christ spoke those words.

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What is the "new" date JWs are "hinting" at for Armaggeddon?

by booker-t in

jw
friends

after the 1975 "we did not say point blank armaggeddon was coming we only suggested it might come" fiasco what is the new date jws are "hinting" at for armaggeddon?

i know now they do not point to any specific date but hint that maybe it might occur such as before 2000 the preaching work will be finished.

this is a suggestion not a prediction so they can wiggle out of this one.

leaving_quietly

Even I could even spin October 2014 as having some biblical merit.

Gen 15:12-16: 12 When the sun was about to set, a deep sleep fell upon A′bram and a great and frightening darkness descended on him. 13 Then He said to A′bram: “Know for certain that your offspring will be foreigners in a land not theirs and that the people there will enslave them and afflict them for 400 years. 14 But I will judge the nation they will serve, and after that they will go out with many goods. 15 As for you, you will go to your forefathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. 16 But they will return here in the fourth generation, because the error of the Am′or·ites has not yet reached its full measure.

The spin? If the fourth generation is at the end of the 400 years, then each generation must be 100 years long. Simple math, right?

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Judicial Comittee : How to get out of one guaranteed

by Watchtower-Free in

of course this won't work for everyone.

unless you can pull it off.. .

i'm 3rd generation of 50 years .

leaving_quietly

Did you really mean homicidal? Or Suidical? Homicidal would definitely have them NOT wanting to meet with you. Suicidal would make them put the matter in abeyance.

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What is the "new" date JWs are "hinting" at for Armaggeddon?

by booker-t in

jw
friends

after the 1975 "we did not say point blank armaggeddon was coming we only suggested it might come" fiasco what is the new date jws are "hinting" at for armaggeddon?

i know now they do not point to any specific date but hint that maybe it might occur such as before 2000 the preaching work will be finished.

this is a suggestion not a prediction so they can wiggle out of this one.

leaving_quietly

The speaker his past Sunday said October 15, 2014. I kid you not. Of course, the context was to not be serving with a date in mind.

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Female Attendants

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

the best thing to come from the regenal convention this summer, is to see women used as attendants at the end of the program.

they were used in distributing the new publications to convention delegates..

leaving_quietly

They've been using women for this for quite a number of years now.

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