Posts by leaving_quietly

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Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??
by Crazyguy in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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leaving_quietly

@BU2B, remind your wife that that "loose cannon" is one who will rule over her during the 1000 years. He is one of those "kings".
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canadian zone meeting
by booby in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
is there going to be one?.

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leaving_quietly

Isn't Canada part of the US Branch Territory? I thought it was, but I could be mistaken.
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My Breaking Point -- 11/9/14
by game1914over in
1. jw
2. friends
i have enjoyed reading your comments during the past four years.

deep down inside, i have always been agnostic.

the first few chapters in genesis are contradictory and differing.. no one has ever been able to answer my question: "why was satan ever created?".
leaving_quietly

Do you have an exit strategy?

It's game over for me, too. But, my exit strategy is failing miserably. My wife told me a little while ago that I look awful. This is the look of a person in extreme mental anguish. Exhausted and angry with no way to express it.
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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leaving_quietly

Many of the negative comments offered here are only the product of warped minds, disgruntled ex-members, and plain liars. Lots/most comments here are taken out of context, crazy reasoning only by unruly people.

Gustv, I have no problem agreeing with you when you are right. However, as one who attended, I can attest to most of the comments here regarding the actual program. I am not a disgruntled ex-member, nor do I have a warped mind. I simply see the Pharisaical attitude of the GB, teaching commands of men as doctrine. Nothing here was taken out of context, and there is no crazy reasoning by unruly people.

It was great, children behaved beautifully, and afterwards a group of us went out to eat. Nice!

Yes, children behaved beautifully where I was, too. Glad you had a nice meal afterward.
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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leaving_quietly

Anyone else notice the gold-edged, brown-covered large Bible Morris was using? I'm thinking it's the next Bible to be released, probably a reference Bible.
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"Between the Lines" of the Branch Visit
by TTATTelder in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i am starting this thread to discuss the financial points i picked up during the branch visit.. firstly - as an elder we were told that all donations from the event - local and worldwide work were to be sent to the branch.

first of all - could the money-grab be any more obvious given these instructions?

is it even legal to take funds a person gave to a non-profit for one specific purpose (pay the light bill) to allocate them for another (www slush fund)?
leaving_quietly

Yeah, I thought the same thing about RTOs. Why in the world do they need to construct or renovate? There's so much commercial property out there that all they really need to do is lease small office space in various locations. Something fishy is going on with that.
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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leaving_quietly

All I could think when Morris was speaking was: Wow... hiding behind cherry-picked scriptures to prove a point. "It's not MY opinion." "Take it up with God."
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Are All Christians Appointed as a Watchman?
by Chris Tann in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is a question i have been trying to answer.

at the branch visit yesterday, morris discussed eze.33,about ,how if we do not preach we are bloodguilty.

i would like very much people who are well informed on this topic to show me a thorough scriptual answer.
leaving_quietly

I, too, have pondered this question for quite some time. I've come to the conclusion that the answer is no. Christ never gave any such command or commission. The closest anything comes in the NT is to invite others to repent and be baptized, but this is to fulfill the commission to make disciples and baptize them.

The next question is: are ALL Christians given this commission? This leads to a discussion of apostles and disciples. The word "apostles" means literally "sent forth ones". All apostles are also disciples, but not all disciples are also apostles. Thus, it's worth noting the commendation Christ gave to the congregation in Ephesus in Revelation 2:2:

‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars.
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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leaving_quietly

Ok, I've concluded that the whole thing was a huge money grab. Here's why:

At the local KHs, ALL donations were to go toward the Worldwide Work. ALL of them. Even any dropped in the Local Congregation slot.

And the only announcement that was made? You guessed it: Please make your checks out to "Jehovah's Witnesses" or to "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses".

This was a BRILLIANT move to get a massive spike in donations. Nearly 10% of all JWs in a 3 hour time period.

Wow. Just . . . Wow.
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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits
by frankiespeakin in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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leaving_quietly

I don't disagree. I don't buy that crap. This reminds me of the mafia using shell corporations as layers of insulation.