The WT Library CD has stuff from before 2000. Also, old magazines and books are available in PDF form online. For example, if you're looking for a 1933 Watchtower, enter 1933 Watchtower into Google and you'll find it. The Internet Archive also has some older stuff. And, if you really are having a hard time finding something, just ask here. There's some good sleuths that seem to be able to find just about anything.
leaving_quietly
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research impossible
by sowhatnow inso, now that nearly all of the past knowledge that jw's has had is slowly being deleted, how does anyone do any research on any subject?.
meetings are pretty boring as it is, all they do is parrot the society's writings.. how is this going to work?
i have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and hand someone a magazine.
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Any luck kicking the bottle?
by Ignoranceisbliss inas i continue my sllllooooooowwwwwww fade one of the things that i want to do is better myself as a person.
one of my biggest pitfalls has always been drinking.
i don't think i am an alcoholic but at the same time i've never been a very good drinker.
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leaving_quietly
This is a tough one. It takes discipline. I've been through this. For me, it required removing alcohol from the home. Seriously. If it's not available, you won't drink as much. If you want a drink, go out and limit to one or two. It costs a whole lot more when having a beer at a restaurant than at home, so there's a money component to this, too. Plus, when you're out, you have to worry about your blood alcohol level, so you, hopefully, will have enough sense to limit yourself so as to not put others in harm's way.
I have been in your shoes and made this choice years ago. It wasn't easy at first, but it gets easier over time. I still want that glass of wine some evenings or beer on a hot day, but I haven't had alcohol in the home for several years now.
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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments
by tezrichmond ini was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.
so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.
if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.
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leaving_quietly
@leaving_q that 11.5 million was paid for the land.
Ah. My misunderstanding of the article. Seems you're right about that based on other articles I found.I kinda thought $11.5 million was too cheap. But, in building projects, a lot of cost is in labor, so with free labor, it's hard to estimate.
Also, I was thinking about the purchase. We can't say for sure it was with donated funds, of course. The sell-off in Brooklyn probably paid for these in full without use of CURRENT donated funds. So, I retract that part of my statement. Basically, I'm saying: I don't know where those funds are coming from. I probably shouldn't speak about something I know nothing about.Complain about this if you feel strongly about it, but it seems like there are so many other things more worth griping over.
Well said.
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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments
by tezrichmond ini was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.
so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.
if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.
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leaving_quietly
Luxury apartments or not, the issue is the price and the use of donated funds. The article states the sale price is not known, but the transfer tax indicates it was around $57 million, making it $228,000 per unit (250 units) BEFORE remodeling. You can be sure remodeling WILL happen. On top of that, the $21.6 million for the Hampton Inn in Newburgh, and the 48 unit apartment complex in Suffern (undisclosed price). So far, the $78.6 million in housing purchases is nearly 7 times as much as the estimated cost of building the Warwick HQ ($11.5 million according to http://observer.com/2011/09/all-along-the-watchtower/) -
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Whatever Happened to The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures?
by Chalam inwhatever happened to the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?part 1. print/download: pdfdoc.
the watchtower says on page 5 of the 1985 edition of the kit:.
there is no definite article in the greek before the word god in john 1:6, yet the wt translates it god, with a capital g!.
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leaving_quietly
I agree. The KIT (1985) and Emphatic Diaglott have been instrumental in helping me see the translation issues in the NWT, including the perversion of passages with Kyrios. While I haven't gone through every occurrence, even I, a non-scholarly person, can see the dishonesty involved. It's pretty simple to use the WT Library to search for a passage to see if the use of Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures is based on something from the Hebrew Scriptures. I've only done this a for a few instances as my study focus has not been on God's name, so it hasn't interested me to a huge degree. But the little I have studied on this convinces me of that the NWT translation committee is less than honest with handling God's name. -
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Please post new forum feedback or questions here
by Simon inwell, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.
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leaving_quietly
Nice job.
I noticed that when I click on my username, it shows a much few number of posts and topics than I actually had. Is this because it's still synchronizing to the cloud? (Mine currently says 11 posts in 0 topics)
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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leaving_quietly
If other Bbile versions don't suppoort the WTs deceptions the only choice they had was to write their own.
Which they freely admit, though under the guise of "restoring God's name".
"Confess" or "confession" (the word most used in other translations for homologias in this verse) is not a word WTBTS likes to use in association with Christ or God or the good news. It's a perfectly legitimate word, though in the English language, confessing has a negative connotation, as in admitting a wrong. I'll have to do a more in-depth word study, but I'm willing to bet that "confess" or variants in the RNWT only appear contextually with sin. A quick word search in the WT Library CD shows this is probably the case.
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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leaving_quietly
I want to add that, thankfully, WTBTS has not linked this verse to the field ministry. It's not an often referenced verse, either. They simply say that submitting to the good news is evidenced by generosity in giving.
At 2 Corinthians 9:13 contributions made in behalf of needy fellow Christians are shown to be an evidence of an individual’s submissiveness to the good news, it being a Christian obligation to assist needy fellow believers. - it-2 p. 1041
Yes, the good news of God’s kingdom becomes meaningful to people when they see the effect it has on the personalities of those embracing it, the generosity and love of neighbor that it generates. Such thoughtful service and giving to others not only causes these to feel gratitude toward the human givers but also “overflows in a flood of thanksgiving to God.” It recommends true Christianity as the finest way of life, as true worship of a kind and loving God. - w75 12/1 pp. 718-719
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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leaving_quietly
I'm not so sure this is actually an incorrect translation. Biased, yes. Incorrect? Maybe not.
The Greek word is homologias, which means, "an agreement, confession" (Strong's 3671). The root word is homologeo (Strong's 3670) that has, as one of it's meanings, "I publicly declare". Note this from biblehub.com:
3671 /homología ("common confession") can refer to the collective agreement of Christians about what God loves and hates – and the courage to proclaim it! See also 3670 (homologéō).
That said, this is definitely an eisegetical translation... picking the meaning that the organization wants to as to get their biased point across.
There is another Greek word, anaggelló (Strong's 312), that means "to announce (in detail) -- declare, rehearse, report, show, speak, tell".
It would be interesting to see what the real differences are between these two words. I don't really know. I'll have to make a project out of it.
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Who the Great Crowd Are Baptized To
by lambsbottom ingreat crowd jws are not baptized like the annointed are.
the great crowd's baptism does not wash them of their sins, making them sinless, until way after armageddon (1,000 year rule).
but the annointed are washed of their sins being 'sinless', as the recent wt study stated.
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leaving_quietly
BTW, all sarcasm aside, my response is the typical one JWs will give you. You have, of course, poked yet another hole in WT theology.