so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.
now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.
try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).
Came across this verse the other day. Thought it might be useful:
Now to the man who works, his pay is not counted as an undeserved kindness but as something owed to him. 5 On the other hand, to the man who does not work but puts faith in the One who declares the ungodly one righteous, his faith is counted as righteousness.
- Romans 4:4,5
have you all read this weeks study article?.
oh my word it is full of fear inducing tactics....doom and gloom outlooks.... anxiety inducing methods to develop absolute control over witnesses and cripple them in any attempt to think for themselves!.
(notice i am saying "themselves" rather than "ourselves"?!
After sitting through the study, I had a thought:
Which is it? Go into the interior rooms? Or flee to the mountains and don't even go into your house? (Matt 24:15-21)
Of course, both are the same, according to WT: flee to the organization (the mountains) and stay close to the congregation (interior rooms).
have you all read this weeks study article?.
oh my word it is full of fear inducing tactics....doom and gloom outlooks.... anxiety inducing methods to develop absolute control over witnesses and cripple them in any attempt to think for themselves!.
(notice i am saying "themselves" rather than "ourselves"?!
This article is, once again, full of half-truths and, as pointed out, lots of fear-mongering. Did you notice the reference to the "governing body in Jerusalem" in paragraph 4? The cited scripture says "apostles in Jerusalem". Very deceptive indoctrination at work here.
i know dubs are delusional.
i know dubs don't reason well.
i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.
why do the jehovah's witnesses feel that paradise earth is a literal place?.
i posted this question in yahoo answers if anyone is interested: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150125163818aatmbtr.
why believe poetic promised land prophecy is to be taken literally, but scriptures saying the earth will end must be taken figuratively?
why do the jehovah's witnesses feel that paradise earth is a literal place?.
i posted this question in yahoo answers if anyone is interested: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150125163818aatmbtr.
why believe poetic promised land prophecy is to be taken literally, but scriptures saying the earth will end must be taken figuratively?
The Jews did not have any idea of inheriting a paradise in heaven. Biblical and secular history proves that the Jews up to Christ's time looked to a restored earthly paradise. So when the Jews questioned him about how to “inherit everlasting life,” they were also confirming that the promises found in Psalms were of a literal earth (Mt 19:16; Lk 10:25-27).
No, the Jews did not have any idea of going to heaven at all. However, when Christ came, things changed.
“The Law and the Prophets were until John. From then on, the Kingdom of God is being declared as good news, and every sort of person is pressing forward toward it. 17 Indeed, it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to go unfulfilled. - Luke 16:16, 17
Christ offered the hope of heavenly life, and his apostles echoed it. (John 14:1-4; 2 Cor 5:1,2; Phil 3:13-21; Col 1:3-5; 1 Pet 1:4)
Christians did not have the hope of paradise earth. Consider this: if they did, wouldn't at least ONE of them have spoken about it? But not a single one did. There isn't a single expression from Peter, Paul, James or John about a paradise earth. Of course, a paradise earth WOULD be good news, wouldn't it? If that were the case, then why did Paul say what he said at Gal 1:6-8? Especially verses 8 and 9. Even an ANGEL would be cursed if a DIFFERENT good news were declared. Something serious to think about.
In addition, Ephesians 4:4 talks about "the one hope", not "two distinct hopes". (w13 12/15 p. 25 par. 13)
The only way around the passages above is to say that the Greek Scriptures were written primarily for the anointed. (w08 1/15 p. 22 par. 11) That is a whole other discussion, and has all the markings of 'shutting up the Kingdom of the heavens.' (Matt 23:13)
why do the jehovah's witnesses feel that paradise earth is a literal place?.
i posted this question in yahoo answers if anyone is interested: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150125163818aatmbtr.
why believe poetic promised land prophecy is to be taken literally, but scriptures saying the earth will end must be taken figuratively?
You may, but I want to state that I don't believe that there will literally be a new earth. At least, not at this point. My only point was that there is more explicit Biblical proof for a literal new earth than a literal paradise earth. At least the former can be found in the Bible, while the latter cannot.
"new earth" 4 "paradise earth" 0
BTW, I'd love to see your final notes when you're done, if you wouldn't mind sharing.
why do the jehovah's witnesses feel that paradise earth is a literal place?.
i posted this question in yahoo answers if anyone is interested: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150125163818aatmbtr.
why believe poetic promised land prophecy is to be taken literally, but scriptures saying the earth will end must be taken figuratively?
For example, look at Ps 45:6 speaking of Christ’s eternal kingdom kingdom rule is found in poetic verses. And ALL the verses speaking of God’s eternity are in “poetic” sections of the Bible (See the poetic formatting in RSV, NEB, NIV, NAB, etc.).
For example, look at Ps 45:6 speaking of Christ’s eternal kingdom rule and the corroborating quote at Heb 1:8: Christ’s throne is “forever and ever.”
Will Christ rule forever? Or is it that the throne of the Kingdom is forever? 1 Cor 15:24-28
Finally, Rev.21:3,4 shows that God’s original purpose would be realized. The ultimate outcome is God will be with HUMANKIND and there will be “no more death.”
So Witnesses base their teaching on what God's Word *explicitly* states.
Here's the thing, though. The Bible doesn't explicitly state anything about a "paradise earth". Period. Nowhere to be found. What CAN be found, however, are references to a "new earth". Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22, 2 Pet 3:13, Rev 21:1 (yep, same passage as the famed Rev 21:3,4). Also, "the re-creation" in Matt 19:28.
If anyone's teachings are based on what the Bible *explicitly* states, then we would have to conclude that there will literally be a new earth.
i know dubs are delusional.
i know dubs don't reason well.
i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.
Ugh... I have to sit through this this week.
I was wondering if there was even ONE children's video about Christ. So, I went and looked. The only one that looked promising what the Caleb video "Forgive Freely" based on Eph 4:32. So, I watched it. And in there, the father opened the Bible and read it. He said, "He reminds us at Ephesians 4:32. It says, 'God freely forgave you'." The "He" that the father mentioned was Jehovah.
I looked up Eph 4:32. It says: "But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave you."
The LEFT OUT "also by Christ"! Not even a mention of Christ in the ENTIRE video! If you're going to show the Bible being opened and read from, at least read ALL of the verse, not just the parts you want.
I would have thought with the chalkboard and counting of the errors of Caleb and Sophia, they would have at least referred to Christ saying to forgive up to 77 times. But, no. Not a mention of Christ at all.
my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.
i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.
we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.
Our C.O. recently said that more changes are coming, too. We'll see. However, I'm convinced C.O.s don't know anything more than the rest of us. Before the release of the RNWT, this same C.O. publically addressed the shortage of Bibles and said the reason we didn't have any was because the GB was focusing on foreign language Bibles, and not to speculate about a new Bible because that's not the reason for the shortage. Not a month later and the RNWT was released.
