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  The "Great Multitude" and the "Jehovah's Witnesses"

  by Doug Mason in

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  i wonder if someone is able to tell me the date and publication when those of the "great multitude" were first included with the "jehovah's witnesses".. i do not mean the "jonadab class", since to me they appear to be different to the "great multitude".

  (i am open to correction on that but i will need precise references.).

  doug.

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  leaving_quietly

  According to the index, the earliest reference to the "great crowd" as "Jehovah's witnesses" was w48 p.87. There could be an earlier reference, but not sure. Here's an image snippet of that WT:
  

  
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  Help! I'm drowning!

  by vinman in

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  my wife and sons don't know how far i have gone in withdrawing from the organization in my heart.

  i've been faking family worship.

  i got angry and almost showed it while watching the march tv.org.

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  leaving_quietly

  Sorry to hear what you're going through. I'm in the same predicament. I'm a little farther along, though. My wife knows how I feel about this religion. We've had a couple of intense discussions about it. So, I know how you're feeling. I'm living it.
  

  I was about to ask the same question as Oubliette. Did you mean "worshipped Jesus" in the past? Because JWs certainly don't do so in the present. Does it bother you that they once gave more credence to Christ than they do now? I wasn't sure what you meant by that.
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  Watchtower and the Dishonest Use of Uncredited Images

  by jwleaks in

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  2. friends

  the below image comes from the following web site page: commons wikimedia.

  the author of the work has granted licence to use his work providing he is properly credited or attributed as the author.. .

  [credit: daniel meyar, licensed for use under creative commons].

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  leaving_quietly

  I have to agree with Dark SpilveR here. The assets "page" is not a page per se. It's very common for a site to have an assets folder, or for high traffic sites, a whole server dedicated to assets. In web programming, a page is made up of a number of things, such as the html of the page, the text content, scripts, stylesheets, images, videos, etc. "Assets" are the individual pieces of these pages and typically include scripts, stylesheets, images and various other media (e.g. videos). Thus, the image is there on the assets server, just sitting there, waiting to be used on some page somewhere. No credit is necessary for an image at rest.
  

  Also, in looking at the source of the page in the article the image is used in, one can see that the image has different sizes, presumably for different platforms (desktop, tablet, mobile). The one you referenced is the smallest image. There are two other sizes referenced, one medium, and one large. There appears to be some script that they use to place an appropriate sized image on the page for layout purposes, likely depending on the device (desktop, tablet or mobile). Both the medium and the large image have the credit embedded directly in the image. It's completely possible that if the smallest one is used, the credit is made elsewhere outside of the image in the page it's composed on, or it's possible that the smallest image is never used on any page even thought it's in the "small size" script variable.
  

  http://assets.jw.org/assets/m/g10/201011/g10_201011.art/102010407_univ_cnt_3_md.jpg

  http://assets.jw.org/assets/m/g10/201011/g10_201011.art/102010407_univ_cnt_3_lg.jpg

  I believe, in this case, there isn't an issue.
  
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  Songs 139-142

  by wifibandit in

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  2. beliefs

  full set: http://imgur.com/a/4xl77.

  for pdf use key: uyqnbqyeulurxzvvvuo2iq.

  sample: .

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  leaving_quietly

  It would be absolutely wrong for anyone NOT a pioneer to sing this song as it would be lying. And we all know how God feels about liars, right?

  BTW, I thought the song book was called "Sing praises TO Jehovah", not "Pat OURSELVES on the back"
  
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  jw.org cart days numbered?

  by jookbeard in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reading a report of an elder in a friends cong has been hiding and spying on the pioneers who seem to have a practise of dumping the cart and finding a local coffee shop, i've noticed that they do this in my local high street as well but this week they seemed to be all huddled around the cart, they've clearly been warned, a vast percentage of the time i see they seem to be more interested in fiddling with their mobile phones and gossiping, is just seems these carts are a means for the pioneers to turn in "easy time" i wonder what sort of figures show how much literature is being taken by the public?

  i bet its very minimal.

  naturally the gb would say they are a phenomenal success , we clearly know they are not.

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  Our territory doesn't really have a place for cart witnessing. But we have a cart because the CO forced the elders to get one. It has been sitting in a corner, unboxed, in the elders' room for the last few months. I'm sure they'll drag it out before the next CO visit just for show.
  
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  Have you met people in the "world" who are more commited to their christian believes than JWs?

  by nevaagain in

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  i met a coworker at my work who was even more commited to his religion then almost anybody i had seen in the jw mids yet.

  whenever we went for lunch, he would do a little prayer first, he didnt care if anybody would take notice of him.

  he does not curse, never!

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  leaving_quietly

  I have a co-worker who is Protestant who is like your co-worker. Maybe not as many meetings, but the prayers at meal time, church on Sunday, possibly other charity-type activities related to the church. He and his wife pray regularly. He speaks of the kingdom of God. He's very happy in his faith and he's very close to many in his church. It's a fairly stark contrast to JWs.
  
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  Are we pro-shunning or against it?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just to continue my theme about religious freedom and how we approach criticizing the wts, i've also been thinking about 'shunning'.. i think shunning is the most unifying complaint that most ex-members of religious groups that practice it have in common.

  it is the layer that runs under every other complaint - whatever the reason for leaving it seems "... and i was shunned" can be added to it as the final rap on the charge sheet.. of course it seems like a no-brainer to many of us and we hardly ever stop to really think about it - shunning is bad, the watchtower believes in shunning therefore the watchtower is bad.

  they need to stop it.

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  leaving_quietly

  Otherwise the distinction you attempt of shunning versus avoiding is amusing. Avoiding is an instance of shunning.

  You are right. I was thinking of the WT definition of shunning which goes beyond your typical avoidance, to include not even speaking with someone.
  
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  Are we pro-shunning or against it?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just to continue my theme about religious freedom and how we approach criticizing the wts, i've also been thinking about 'shunning'.. i think shunning is the most unifying complaint that most ex-members of religious groups that practice it have in common.

  it is the layer that runs under every other complaint - whatever the reason for leaving it seems "... and i was shunned" can be added to it as the final rap on the charge sheet.. of course it seems like a no-brainer to many of us and we hardly ever stop to really think about it - shunning is bad, the watchtower believes in shunning therefore the watchtower is bad.

  they need to stop it.

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  leaving_quietly

  By comparison, the biblical instance where Paul supposedly recommended a congregation shun an individual he went on to tell everyone the precise reason for his recommendation.

  As others stated, forced shunning is the issue. But, for the record, Paul NEVER said to shun. He said to "stop keeping company" or "stop associating". There's a BIG difference in shunning and avoiding.

  Something to keep in mind with regards to whether religious shunning should EVER be acceptable. Did Christ shun Satan? Did God? Or did BOTH actually have conversations with him? Shouldn't that be the measuring stick?
  
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  How many were baptized in your area, last assembly?

  by brandnew in

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  how many were baptized in your area, last assembly?.

  santa paula, ca..........17..

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  leaving_quietly

  I wonder if OneEyedJoe is located close to me. Same numbers, same age range.
  
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  Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".

  http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .

  doug.

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  leaving_quietly

  Someone on another thread wondered if CharlieSmith1975 was actually Larsinger58. The writing style seems similar, as does the points made. Lars used to say the same stuff as CharlieSmith1975 is posting. He used to talk about being part of the secret society know as the Knights Templar and believed some would remain alive throughout time.

  In addition, a Google search for "Isa 6:13" and 144,000 brought up several posts on various forums with similar writing styles by users named Anonymous2100, Lars Wilson and Larry Wilson (from what I found with a quickie search). Makes me think whoever made the connection between CharlieSmith1975 and Larsinger58 may be right.

  Charlie, if you are Lars, welcome back. But fess up.

  Edit: Hadn't read to page two of this thread. Even Doug makes this connection. ;)