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  Would you like to live for ever on earth?

  by fulano in

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  2. beliefs

  i was discussing this topic with two friends of mine, ex jws, a few nights ago.

  i think it would be boring after a while.

  you can't smoke, have to drink with moderation (difficult in europe with all the wines).

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  I absolutely would. But I'm okay knowing I probably won't.
  
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  A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

  i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

  the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

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  Marked for later reading.

  Part of the problem, though, is this:

  "Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees." and "A little leaven ferments the whole lump."

  Any organization, not just WTBTS, ANY organization that claims to be God's channel, God's mouthpiece, spirit-directed, God's CHOSEN people, must, by definition, be 100% truthful in its doctrines. Why? Very simple: "God...cannot lie." (Titus 1:2)

  So, these two possibilities exist:
  

  1. Men were NOT listening to God

  2. God lied

  If #1 is accurate, then the entire organization cannot be doing God's will because anyone worshipping God "must worship him in spirit and truth." (John 4:24)
  

  If #2, then we're all doomed.

  Ok, there's a third possibility:

  3. God did NOT choose the WT organization, and is NOT leading / directing them.

  I tend to believe #3.

  So, it doesn't matter if they START getting things right. The fact that they HAVEN'T up to this point, but insist they have, only proves the untruthfulness of this organization. This equally applies to ANY religion claiming to be the true religion.

  Does this mean we who are believers should dismiss out of hand the entire religion? Christ didn't say to do that with the Pharisees. He only said to watch out for their leaven. Each person has the responsibility and obligation to see if what is being taught is truth or not. And that is something Christ commends. To the congregation in Ephesus, he said this: "‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars." (Rev 2:2) The word "apostle" means "sent forth one". Any who claim to be sent forth from God or Christ to proclaim whatever they proclaim MUST be tested.

  If one finds that a religion teaches SOME truth, should we stay with it? I don't think I can answer that question. I can only echo Christ's words: "But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea."

  EDIT: Let me add that if a religion is teaching that the end is near, Christ was pretty clear on that point: “Look out that you are not misled, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time is near.’ Do not go after them."
  
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  Any good answers at this Sunday's WT?

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously this weeks' wt has been part 3 of big changes in the doctrine.

  at the end i answered up saying along the lines of: "as we can see from the illustration box, when it comes to the reward being given to the slaves, divine appointment was not given in 1919. this will happen in future when the anointed get taken before armageddon".

  i couldn't bring myself to say "raptured at armageddon" as i think people might have taken a closer look at me...but it felt good to call out publicly the bull sh#t date of 1919 .

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  leaving_quietly

  Haven't been yet. Later today. But, reading over the article, I couldn't help but wonder: In what universe do slaves force their friends / acquaintances to do their work for them? If the "slaves" represent "anointed followers", then how is it that those NOT commissioned have to do THEIR work?
  
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  Everything seems to be changing... why not birthdays?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if we look at all doctrines, we see an overall effort to conserve unity and control.

  - assuming most birthdays, if allowed, would probably be oriented to children, then that means 40 celebrations per year.

  so all in all, this give a total potential attendance to a birthday of 30 families (120 attendance / 4 family members).

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  Funny thing about birthdays that the normal R&F don't know: you can't be DF'd for celebrating. That was mentioned at the week-long elder school a couple of years back. Why can't you be? Birthdays are neither pagan, nor political. The only holidays you can be DF'd for are those that are pagan in nature or political in nature. It's in the elders' secret book.
  

  The two b'days in the bible that ended in deaths? One was someone in prison who was getting executed for whatever crime he committed. The other was "a convenient day" for Herodias' wife. (Mark 6:21) Neither should be construed to say b'days are bad. So silly.
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  NH Knorr and his marriage

  by moggy lover in

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  2. friends

  i have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.

  but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?

  did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?

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  I knew Audrey personally. Lovely person. She remarried after Knorr died. Sadly, she passed away a few months back. I never heard her marriage to Knorr was a sham. Doesn't mean it wasn't, just that I never heard that.
  
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  Lets have some fun, pick out the books in the Bible.

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  find them.. this is a most remarkable puzzle.

  it was found by a gentleman in an airplane seat pocket,.

  on a flight from los angeles to honolulu, keeping him occupied for hours.

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  #30

  This is a most remarkable puzzle. It was found by a gentleman in an airplane seat pocket,

  on a flight from Los Angeles to Honolulu, keeping him occupied for hours. He enjoyed it

  so much, he passed it on to some friends. One friend from Illinois worked on this while

  fishing in his john boat. Another friend studied while playing his banjo. Elaine Taylor, a

  columnist friend was so intrigued by it, she mentioned it in her weekly newspaper column.

  Another friend judges the job of solving this puzzle so involving, she brews a cup of tea to

  help her nerves. There will be some names that are really easy to spot. That's a fact. Some

  people, however, will soon find themselves in a jam, especially since the book names are

  not necessarily capitalized. Truthfully, from answers we get, we are forced to admit it

  usually takes a minister or a scholar to see some of them at the worst. Research has

  shown that something in our genes is responsible for the difficulty we have in seeing the

  books in this paragraph. During a recent fundraising event which featured this puzzle, the

  Alpa Delta Phi lemonade booth set a new record. The local paper, the Chronicle, surveyed

  over 200 patrons who reported that this puzzle was one of the most difficult they had ever

  seen. As Daniel Humana humbly puts it,"those able to find all of them will hear great

  lamentations from those who have to be shown". One revelation that may help is that books

  like Timothy and Samuel may occur without their numbers. Also, keep in mind, that punctuation

  and spaces are normal.

  A chipper attitude will help you compete really well against those who claim to know the answers

  Remember, there is no need for a mad exodus, there really are 30 books of the Bible lurking

  somewhere in this paragraph waiting to be found.

  I will give you one clue "Honolulu, keeping" the book of Luke....
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  A lesson on bitterness

  by FlyingHighNow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ponder, contemplate, discuss.

  this is a public service announcement.

  https://www.facebook.com/ariannahuffington/photos/a.158003868278.115593.17893008278/10152529838228279/?type=1&theater.

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  leaving_quietly

  It's just a link. The meme wasn't there when I posted. Maybe you edited your post after me?

  Anyway, I have little bitterness toward the organization anymore. I'm mostly past that stage. I'm in the "acceptance" stage. Thus, I've contemplated my next move (OUT of the organization.) And discussed that with my spouse. As I explained to my spouse: the organization is just background noise to me.
  
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  Witnesses called for a bible study

  by umbertoecho in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello all.. i haven't been here for some time to post as mainly i read the comments and such.

  yesterday was a really interesting, unnerving experience though.

  two sisters had called last week when i had an abscess on my tooth and was sort of sick from it.

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  Adding , if I may to FayeDunaway`s comment quote the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Christian Greek Scriptures published by the WTB&TS , the word for word translation states in John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.

  Actually, @smiddy, the word for word translation is: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was toward the god and god was the Word."

  kai theos he ho logos

  and god was the Word
  
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  A lesson on bitterness

  by FlyingHighNow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ponder, contemplate, discuss.

  this is a public service announcement.

  https://www.facebook.com/ariannahuffington/photos/a.158003868278.115593.17893008278/10152529838228279/?type=1&theater.

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  leaving_quietly

  I've pondered my bitterness, contemplated my next move, attempted to discuss it with my spouse. Didn't go over so well.
  
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  No mention of DF in new brochure?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i went on my tablet today and clicked "yes" that i attended the convention (they probably tracked my ip and two elders will show up on my door step).

  i scanned through the new brochure on bringing those who have left back.

  i noticed that not once they mentioned anyone who was df!

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  leaving_quietly

  I skimmed it over last night. There is an experience related in the brochure of someone who was gone from the org for 40 years, celebrated holidays and went to another church. I was surprised because this person wasn't DF'd or DA'd.