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  2015-10/10/ Field Service Report Slips-S-4-E!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has already been posted just delete this post!.

  2015 10/10/ field service report slips-s-4-e. .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/kpifhby.

  .. .. wtunderground!.

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  leaving_quietly

  For real? Counting # of video showings? What do those poor JWs who don't have those devices do???
  
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  "Only Baptized Ones have Unrestricted Privilege of Prayer"

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was sitting at the recent circuit assembly that i attended, (the things i do for sis blues) and the baptism talk was under way .

  i admit that my mind was more on my imminent packed lunch and flask of coffee but i distinctly heard the speaker make the statement that heads this thread and cite a wt reference.. you what !

  i was shocked....... how can they possibly make such an arrogant statement ?

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  leaving_quietly

  What Morpheus said. The only prayers of unbaptized ones that Jehovah hears is those that revolve around sending JWs to their doors. Apparently.
  
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  CO in midwest gets pink-slipped

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i saw the coordinator heading for the stage and hit record on my ipad.

  i was shocked but here it is.

  here's my typed transcript of the letter he read:.

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  leaving_quietly

  A policy instituted a couple of years ago made it such that COs over 70 go off the road. If this particular CO was surprised, then I'm betting he and his wife aren't 70, yet. Otherwise, it should not have been any surprise to him at all.
  
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  Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

  also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

  i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

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  leaving_quietly

  Certain corporation types have to have voting members by law. It's just the way it is in the U.S. However, them having shares that are actually worth something... well, that's very interesting.
  
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  Couldn't take it anymore.

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i decided yesterday to give my wife's full disclosure.

  not sure it was the best decision considering she holds very firmly to the resurrection hope so we can see our babies again.. anyways she is agreeable to begin a study to find a better truth.

  where is a good place to go to get some good reliable biblical info on the web that we can consider together?.

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  leaving_quietly

  The Message bible is kinda fun to read, but it is really a highly paraphrased translation. I personally like the NIV, ESV and NET. The ESV is, IMO, closer to the original Greek, so in many places reads as unnaturally as the NWT. But the same biases aren't there (though I'm sure there are other biases).

  You could always download the YouVersion app to your mobile devices and choose nearly any translation you want without spending a dime.
  
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  Warwick Safety Orientation

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  welcome to warwick safety orientation!

  each warwick volunteer is required to view the entire three-hour program and complete the five short quizzes one week before arriving at warwick.

  to benefit fully from each of the five sections, we recommend that you set aside time in a quiet location with minimal distractions and give the program your full attention.

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  leaving_quietly

  We can say all sorts of bad things about WTBTS, but emphasis they put on safety on these construction sites IS good, regardless of their motivation.
  
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  CO Comes Up With A New Way To Be Judgemental...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  at the latest co visit something very strange happened.

  during the meeting with the elders and servants he passed out a copy of a hypothetical publisher card and asked us what we could learn from it.

  upon receiving it i saw that the average hours were pretty good, it had return visits and quite a few bible studies.

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  leaving_quietly

  Years ago, I was passed over for an appointment to being an elder because while my mag placement was fine, my books were next to nothing. Next visit, books were fine (because that's what I focused on) and mags were next to nothing. They said, "Jump!" I just jumped... didn't even bother asking, "how high?" That was my first taste of crap in the org. Stupid stuff, all this.
  
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  Baptism is it really a dedication to God, where in the Bible?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i haven't found a scripture where it says that baptism is a dedication to god.

  i have only found in the book of acts chapter 2 i believe where baptism is for forgiveness of sins.

  am i wrong?

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  leaving_quietly

  Here are my notes on the topic:

  Dedication

  
  

  The word “dedication” is never used in the scriptures related to baptism. The first mention of any baptism is in Matthew 3:6, so this was not a practice common to the Israelites until a much later period. The only time the word dedication is used in the Greek scriptures is at John 10:22 in relation to the “Festival of Dedication”. The word “dedicated” is used three times in the Greek scriptures, at Matthew 15:5, Mark 7:11 and Luke 21:5. Both Matthew and Mark were discussing corban, a gift dedicated to God, while Luke was discussing how the temple was “adorned with fine stones and dedicated things”. None of these were associated in any way with baptism.

  
  

  That leaves me to wonder, then why does the Society feel we must first dedicate ourselves to God as a prerequisite to baptism? The scriptures make no such statement. This is yet another example of going “beyond the things that are written.”

  
  

  Something to note are these two comments from decades ago:

  
  

  w70 7/1 p. 404 par. 13

  Christians must appreciate these facts. Their dedication is not to an organization nor to a work. Neither is it to a human or a government; it is only to the Creator himself, to Jehovah God, through Jesus Christ.

  
  

  w66 10/1 pp. 603-604 par. 15

  We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself.

  
  
  

  The use of “dedication” apparently comes from Jesus’ statement at Matt 16:24: “Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.”

  
  Something of note, here: “If anyone wants to come after me” and “keep following me”. This is important because dedication to JWs is to Jehovah not to Christ.
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  Reading the Bible in 6 months isn't "anything to brag about" - Anthony Morris

  by mac n cheese in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the 2015 annual meeting, specifically, part 1, right about minute 27, has anthony morris emphasizing that "you're better off reading one chapter (of the bible) and really absorbing it" than just reading the whole thing "as a challenge".

  while i agree with the the whole idea of meditating on anything you read, it was doing this very thing that brought up so many unanswered questions.

  i also came to the constant realization that the jws did not have a clue about what the bible really said.

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  leaving_quietly

  They've said, "Read the Bible daily" for years and years and years. A few years ago, when I started waking up, I was like: "Challenge accepted." And I read it. Not just to read, but to do exactly what Mr. Morris said, really absorb it. This was a huge launch into me no longer believing JWs had the truth.
  

  That said, the organization has members way too busy to read the Bible and really absorb it. Thus, the majority will not do so.
  
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  Talking to Jesus

  by Kiana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi.. do jehovah's witnesses talk to jesus?.

  thanks..

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  leaving_quietly

  Personally, I've never heard of any JW doing that. If they do, it's not openly admitted. I suspect that some who converted from another religion might, but those born in the religion most likely do not.

  Let's take a poll here, since the audience of this forum is made up of both current and ex-JWs. Who here, while a JW, talked to Jesus?

  I never did because I was taught it was wrong to do so. And yes, I considered talking to Jesus the same as praying to him.