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What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

by FL_Panthers in

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as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

leaving_quietly

Wow... most of the grievances are around how they handle people who disagree with their teachings.

And I agree. My biggest complaint is that they are extremists in their dogmatism and I can't disagree openly. And by disagree, I don't mean outright calling them liars, but instead having rational conversations with family and friends. Doing so labels me spiritually weak and even apostate.

My next grievance is not being allow to quietly leave without being shunned in some fashion, up to and including expulsion.

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Idiotic WT reasoning for birthdays

by Batman89 in

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additionally, birthday celebrations tend to give excessive importance to an individual, no doubt one reason why early christians shunned them.

(ecclesiastes 7:1) so you will find that jehovahs witnesses do not share in birthday festivities (the parties, singing, gift giving, and so forth).

school and jehovah's witnesses p.18.

leaving_quietly

You forgot that murders always happen at birthdays.

Well, at least at one: John the Baptist was murdered because Herodius found "a convenient day" to do so. (Mark 6:21)

The baker was NOT murdered. He was executed. Remember, the baker and the cupbearer were both in jail with Joseph. Both "sinned against their lord, the king of Egypt." (Gen 40:1). We don't know what the offense was, whether they were both in on one offense together, or whether they each offended Pharaoh separately. All we know is that the cupbearer was released and went back to his duties and the baker was executed. (Gen 40:20,21) It was Pharaoh's birthday, true, but it was not a murder. It was an execution.

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A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

by Apognophos in

i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

leaving_quietly

Thanks apognophos, I don't understand why they change irrelevant doctrines that don't really effect anyone, just makes them look silly for no purpose.

Very simple... reading the Bible alone destroys their view of paradise. By coming up with a 'new understanding' for what Paul wrote about paradise simply serves to allow them to hold onto their current doctrine while spinning what the Bible says so it 'fits' their doctrine. If they can somehow make it fit, all but the few of us who actually think will accept it as pure doctrine without ever questioning it. If there's something in print about a subject, that is "doctrine" above the Bible. Period. And these conventions are a prelude to what goes in print. Expect any 'new understanding' to appear in a WT within the year.

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Baptism?

by Brainfloss in

i know what the questions ask of baptismal candidates are, but does the one doing the dunking say anything as he immerses the one being baptised?.

leaving_quietly

"Hold on to your arm with your hand at the wrist... like this. Bend your knees so you go all the way under. If you don't we'll have to do it again."

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A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

by Apognophos in

i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

leaving_quietly

One of the OT sections of the Bible WT uses frequently is Isa 65. For example, verses 21 and 22:

They will build houses and live in them, And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, Nor will they plant for others to eat. For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full.

But, they conveniently skip verses in the very same chapter that shows this to NOT be refering to the "earthly paradise". Verse 20, for example:

No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days, Nor an old man who fails to live out his days. For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy, And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age.

Sin and death will be no more in the "earthly paradise", so how could someone sin or die? Go research that and see the WT spin on it.

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A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

by Apognophos in

i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

leaving_quietly

Maybe Loesch was doing a Freudian slip when he said "gw.org". He was probably thinking "gb.org".

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A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

by Apognophos in

i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

leaving_quietly

It makes for a very short and very eye-opening word study to look up the word "paradise" in the Bible. There are only four references, and three of the four refer, unfailingly, to heaven. That is, unless you read those verses through WT-colored lenses.

The fourth one and the very first reference of the word in the Bible is in a more, erm, sensual sense in Song of Solomon 4:13.

So, three in one, eh? I think I'll dub it: The Paradise Trinity

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An update on shunning (at the store).

by quellycatface in

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i was called into a meeting by one of the department managers last week.

i had a meeting this morning.. anyway, to cut a long story short.

the people involved in this will be called into a private meeting and spoken to.

leaving_quietly

In my local area it has always been the understanding among JW's that if you are in a business situation with a DFd person you could speak to them ,but just keep it about work .

This is the understanding in general, not just in a local area. Unfortunately, individual JWs take it to a new level. Gee, I wonder why...?

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What happens after you get the registered letter?

by paul from cleveland in

my friend's daughter, who was baptized at 14, has decided to leave the witnesses.

she's in her early 20's.

she's stopped going to meeting a while ago and moved in with her father who is disfellowshipped.

leaving_quietly

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Basically, what has already been stated. Signing the letter is a way for them to know the invitation to a judicial hearing was received. If she chooses not to go, they can proceed in abstentia. If she doesn't sign it, there isn't a way for them to know, and she'll likely get another one in a month or two. If she never signs a single one, they could proceed without her, but holding a final decision in abeyance until she has the opportunity to tell her side.That last sentence is not always followed by elder bodies, but it's basically what the book says to do.

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New Leaflet to give to JW about TTATT

by TJ Curioso in

hi to all my fellows "apostates" in all world... especially in e.u.a.

and uk.. as some of you already know, ex-jw in portugal created a leaflet especialy to send to jw in all the country (individualy or to congregations).

we must say that it was a sucess from the point of view of the impact originated.

leaving_quietly

Needs a QR code (or several)

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