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leaving_quietly
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Sister trying to convince me and herself
by NoMoreFear4Tracy inlong story short i was raised in this cult (but was never baptized) my mother is die hard jdub, i didnt take this "faith" seriously until i was 26, but i had always gone to meeting, was enrolled in the theocratic school and was mediocre in service.
at 26 i made the conscious decision to make this religion my own.
i red the bible cover to cover and used cross reference from the watchtower and other religious sites,with the end goal to get baptized.
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It Is Impossible for the governing body to be under The New Covenant. Jeremiah 31
by objectivetruth inaccording to the insight book on the topic : "the house of israel".
"all the descendants of jacob, collectively, at any one time.
as the offspring and descendants of jacobs 12 sons, they were quite often called the sons of israel; less often, the house of israel, the people of israel, the men of israel, the state of israel, or the israelites.
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leaving_quietly
Paul makes an interesting point, too, in Romans 9 where he says that not all who descend from Israel area really Israel. And he then quotes Isaiah who said that not all Israel will be saved, but only a remnant.
Romans 11, to me, is pretty powerful, also. The REASON the Gentiles were selected is NOT because Israel was rejected. No, it was so that Israel, as a nation, would be incited to jealousy over God's choice to allow the Gentiles in. The whole discussion of the branches of the olive tree is in this chapter, and it's clear that if Israel starts to have faith once again, they will be grafted back in.
As you pointed out, thought, this would occur after the full number of the Gentiles (or fullness of the Gentiles) are brought in.
There's another reason why the GB (and others like them) may not be in the new covenant.
33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”
34 “And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”The GB, and religious leaders in general, do not accept that people can know God on their own. Yet, that's exactly what God said would happen to people who are part of this new covenant. Thus, the myriads of books, magazines, etc. that WTBTS produces to 'teach people about Jehovah' tells me that JWs in general are not part of this new covenant because they would not need all this stuff if they were.
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Parousia (again)
by leaving_quietly ini noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
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leaving_quietly
@cofty, I read your story before I posted this topic. Somehow I knew you'd comment.
@Bobcat, yes, you understand what I'm saying. The translation in the NWT in 1 Cor 15:23 makes it seem like the resurrection of the ones who belong to Christ (which WTBTS says is only the 144,000) happens gradually from the beginning of his invisible presence until some point prior to Armageddon (as, if I recall, is the latest thinking on the matter.) As to your other point, nowhere in the scriptures (that I can recall) is parousia linked to Christ's becoming King. It's always in the context of his second coming. (And after looking at your list, it seems we once again agree.)
@prologos, yes, this though occurs to me, too. Probably contextually out of place, but WTBTS does say that the resurrection has already started.
@Island Man, yes, you see the issue, correctly. Your last sentence hits it on the head. Totally screwed up.
It seems to me that reading comprehension is a skill that eludes WTBTS interpreters.
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Parousia (again)
by leaving_quietly ini noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
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@Chris Tann, I agree with you on your points. I am only referring to the resurrection of the dead ones and how the word parousia relates. I've gone back and forth in my mind on the meaning of the word. But, for me, this seals the deal. Parousia is not referring to an invisible presence, but to the time when Christ actually arrives. BTW, I agree that the Bible teaches rapture. It's obvious from various scriptures, even Christ's own words at Matt 24:31 and 24:40,41.
@sir82, yes, you are right. JWs see no contradiction in their erroneous teachings. In any of them. Strange how that is. Of course, they can't since WTBTS does all their thinking for them.
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If elders are responsible for the teaching, the flock---
by prologos incan you look at any of them and think, say: you taught:-- " the f&ds , the "anointed" existing since pentecost" ---you taught:.
the non-overlapping generation of 1914 ---.
the local drive to get it done before 1975*--.
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leaving_quietly
Actually, yes. This is the #1 reason I resigned from serving as an elder after learning just a little bit about TTATT.
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive heavier judgment. - James 3:1
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Parousia (again)
by leaving_quietly ini noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
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Some of us are stuck in JW land for various reasons, although mentally out.
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Parousia (again)
by leaving_quietly ini noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
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leaving_quietly
I noticed this during the WT study on Sunday.
1 Cor 15:23: "But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence."
The Greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how WTBTS views this word versus the rest of the world.What I noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.
1 Cor 15:51,52: "Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed."
Verse 23, in the NWT, infers a gradual resurrection while verse 52 infers a quick and abrupt resurrection.
Comparing this with 1 Thess 4:16, we find agreement with 1 Cor 15:52: "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."
My conclusion is that 1 Cor 15:23 is completely inappropriately translated by WTBTS. It should read, as nearly every other translation does: "when he comes" or "at his coming" or "when he arrives" or something similar.
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Did you notice the picture of Abel resurrected with a full beard?
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Bible reading section for the week of November 24th. Duet 28-31
by stuckinarut2 inso the "cong bible reading " section to be covered for this week is from deuteronomy 28-31.... have you ever read this section????
wow...just wow....there is some psycho stuff in it!.
"do as i (jehovah) say, or i'll mess you up with some really perverse and psychotic stuff!".
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Deut 29 is key to dismantling the doctrine that only the 144,000 are part of the new covenant. WTBTS has asserted that the alien residents / foreigners were never included in the covenant with Israel. This chapter debunks that. This chapter restates the covenant and makes the addendum that all are included (see vs. 10-14 particularly).
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Ugh. This article is so... elementary. Why in the world are we going to spend an hour on it?
Therefore, now that we have moved beyond the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again, namely, repentance from dead works and faith in God, the teaching on baptisms and the laying on of the hands, the resurrection of the dead and everlasting judgment. - Heb 6:1