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  7 questions to make JWs think

  by Coded Logic in

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  ) why do animals suffer and die?.

  ) if this is all about god's soverenty, why cause the flood?

  how does it prove "man cannot direct their own step" if god immediately turns around and wipes men out for " eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage ?".

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  leaving_quietly

  Another one: If people God killed won't be resurrected because they already had divine judgement pronounced on them, will Moses be resurrected?
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  JW Broadband???

  by Gladring in

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  2. beliefs

  the congregation my parents belong to (they live in ireland) has been having a massive refurbishment recently.

  apparently the congregation wanted to spend about 20k euro, but the society pushed for spending 100k euro "so that they won't have to do it again in 10 years time".. .

  anyway, my dad was talking about changing his broadband provider, and he mentioned that he was going to wait, because some brothers came to his house with an aerial and they can receive the kingdom hall's new broadband.

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  leaving_quietly

  Overly paranoid... for now. What you wrote seems to be more of a personal cost savings measure. Although, I'm not sure how your father will get broadband from the KH a mile away unless they install some beefy signal extenders and there's decent line of sight. Signal extenders are relatively inexpensive. There is the question of ethics here, though. Should your father be leeching off the KH's broadband that other people are paying for (through their donations)?
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  Many Member Just Want to Believe

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.

  so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.

  " i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.

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  leaving_quietly

  It's interesting to compare magic with WTBTS teachings. I first noticed this sleight of hand last night. I've been wondering ever I caught it how I never noticed it before:

  From the Bible Teach book, p. 27 (December 2014 printing... yep, a new one is out with a new cover and all... time to do a comparison!!!):

  GOD’S purpose for the earth is really wonderful. Jehovah
  wants the earth to be filled with happy, healthy
  people. The Bible says that “Jehovah God planted a garden
  in Eden” and that he “made to grow . . . every tree
  that was pleasing to look at and good for food.” After
  God created the first man and woman, Adam and Eve,
  He put them in that lovely home and told them: “Be
  fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it.”
  (Genesis 1:28; 2:8, 9, 15) So it was God’s purpose that
  humans have children, extend the boundaries of that
  garden home earth wide, and take care of the animals.

  Let's see what the references say.

  Gen 1:28:

  Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

  Nothing there about extending the boundaries of the garden. Oh, wait, man wasn't even IN the garden, yet. Hang on...

  Gen 2:8, 9:

  Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E′den, toward the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree that was pleasing to look at and good for food and also the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

  Ah, now we see man placed in the garden. But still, nothing about extending its boundaries.

  Gen 2:15:

  Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of E′den to cultivate it and to take care of it.
  
  Once again, there is no command to extend the boundaries of the garden. To cultivate it, yes and to take care of it, yes. But to extend it? It does not say that. What of the word "cultivate"? The Hebrew word is lə-‘ā-ḇə-ḏāh (Strong's 5647) which means "to work, serve". Thus, some translations say: "The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. " Cultivate does NOT mean extend.

  This hit me like a ton of bricks last night. Take away God's supposed purpose, that of a Paradise Earth(TM) and what do you have left? There goes the carrot at the end of the stick.

  But do you see the sleight of hand? The verses say one thing, and WTBTS says something that the Bible DOES NOT SAY.
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  Vomit alert - how many Dubs actually like the noolite .tv?

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one witless i know actually said "i really like brother lett - his face is soo expressive, the eyebrows go up and he uses his lips to enunciate every word clearly.

  and he speaks slowly so it is easy to follow what he is saying.".

  another said "iwas so excited after watching the new tv channel.

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  I don't care much about appearances. It's what comes out of those lips that matter. When someone can say there's more evidence of God's Kingdom ruling than electricity or wind, then that's a real problem.
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  "Searchable"--1969 Kingdom Interlinear Translation--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after i posted the "1969 kingdom interlinear translation" pdf, my friend (anonymous), was kind-hearted enough to provide us with a "searchable" pdf of the kingdom interlinear of which the download link is listed below.

  this is the only "searchable" pdf of the 1969 kingdom interlinear on the net that i am aware of.

  anonymous knows that there are many "master researchers" coming here to this forum and their time is valuable.

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  https://ia601406.us.archive.org/23/items/WatchtowerLibrary/manuals/1969_int-a_E.pdf

  Seems a bit slow, but I was able to download it. ~69MB
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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  by cliff in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

  court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

  first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.

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  This sort of thing needs wide exposure. There's a pioneer woman in the cong. I attend that is constantly harping on the Catholics for their issues with abuse, always in an us vs. them sort of way. The typical JW is unaware of the magnitude of this within their own organization.
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  "The Friends"

  by FeelingFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have only come across this term very recently on jwn and in an "apostate" video i watched yesterday.

  never have i heard anyone refer to jw's as "the friends" here in the uk.

  is it just used in america?.

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  leaving_quietly

  A term I've heard all my life. Didn't realize it wasn't common elsewhere. Apparently used in Norway, too, according to this quote:

  “I said many prayers to Jehovah,” says Elsebeth, “and I kept in touch with the friends we had met by exchanging pictures and experiences.” - w13 1/15 p. 4.
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  The Faithful Slave - An Obvious Question I Haven't Heard Asked

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since the big 7 have appropriated this "blessed" title for themselves, and disavowed the existence of this slave prior to 1919, an obvious question comes up.. was it not the apostate maria russell that proffered that ctr was "the slave," and was the coiner of the term "the faithful slave"?.

  if the slave did not come into existence until 1919, then how was it possible that prior to 1919 that anyone knew that it existed, or would have been able to foretell that it would come into existence?.

  was maria a prophetic apostate?.

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  @sowhatnow - They used to claim this. This changed when they elevated the GB to the FDS position. They now claim that the appointment over all his belongings is future. But the kicker is that they moved what "all his belongings" used to mean (KHs, branch offices, etc.) categorically under the term "domestics". See the 7/15/2013 WT for all of this.
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  Do Jws even need Jesus?

  by TTWSYF in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just thinking out loud becauseof some things my elder brother has said in the past.

  how his works help ensure his future w/the great crowd on earth.. .

  well, i need jesus for my salvation,but perhaps some of you do not.. just asking.

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  @ADCS - that's golden! Thanks for putting the lie right out there.
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  What Was Your Body of Elders Like?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  were they pretty much a good group of men?

  we're they jerks?.

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  leaving_quietly

  I'll say what the BOE in my cong IS like. I may very well be in a cong that's an anomaly. The BOE is one of the kindest I've ever known. Not quick to DF. COBE is older, a very gentle man, whom everyone loves. Service Overseer is a pioneer, but this man lives his chosen profession. In service all the time. Lots of studies who actually come to the KH. Probably one of the only ones who generates studies like that. A nice person, in general, and someone who I like calling a friend. Secretary is a scatter-brained fellow who is always smiling. He looks out for everyone in the congregation and folks generally like him. He can be a bit abrasive at times because he doesn't realize when he's gone too far in joking. School Overseer is a kind person that the publishers generally like. We have one ex-bethelite elder who is pretty low-key. Doesn't want to do too much given his family responsibilities. In all, none of them have any hidden agenda. I served with these guys for a few years, and none of them want more power than any one else. I served with these elders, and that's one thing I liked... no one was out for power. They really just wanted to look after the congregation.

  So, from a kindness and genuineness perspective, these guys really are model elders. I think, as close as possible to what elders should be. I served with a really bad elder body years ago. So, I've seen both kinds. I'll take the current BOE any day.