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  Resolutions to send money to society

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  during the course of the year congregations pass a number of resolutions to send money to the branch.

  this year i've resolved to count all money grab endeavors.

  so far for the month of january there were two locally:.

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  leaving_quietly

  Not a year later, in December, another resolution was passed to up the amount to $500 a month.

  Doc is probably correct, but the letter said to review it ANNUALLY each MAY.
  
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  New BOE letter: Re: Survey on Use of Printed Publications

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: survey on use of printed publications .

  dear brothers: .

  the branch office is working on arrangements for the 2015 regional conventions.

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  Anyone here who still attends should absolutely choose a physical copy. All too often, WTBTS makes revisions to the digital versions without any sort of notification of what those revisions are. The physical copies are they only reliable proofs of what was originally printed in any publication. Just my opinion, for whatever it's worth.
  
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  Help with an entrenched family memeber

  by budbayview in

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  2. friends

  wanted to send this to my "active" sister in hopes of awakening her, comments welcome.

  she thinks i am a heathen apostate.... losing my religion.

  preface.

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  leaving_quietly

  Marking for later reading LQMARKED
  
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  Blondie's Comments on the 1-18-2015 WT Study (HOLY)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  november 15, 2014 wt study issue.

  january 18, 2015 to be studied.

  opening comments.

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  leaving_quietly

  This was mentioned in another thread (don't have time to find it now), but is worth repeating. A prime example of making a passage say whatever they want it to say.
  

  Paragraph 18:

  18 To be holy, we must weigh the Scriptures carefully and do what God asks of us. Consider Aaron’s sons Nadab and Abihu, who were executed for offering “unauthorized fire,” perhaps while inebriated. (Leviticus 10:1, 2) Note what God then told Aaron. (Read Leviticus 10:8-11.) Does that passage mean that we must not drink anything alcoholic before going to a Christian meeting? Think about these points: We are not under the Law. (Romans 10:4) In some lands, our fellow believers use alcoholic beverages in moderation at meals before attending meetings. Four cups of wine were used at the Passover. When instituting the Memorial, Jesus had his apostles drink wine that represented his blood. (Matthew 26:27) The Bible condemns heavy drinking and drunkenness. (1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 3:8) And many Christians would feel impelled by their conscience to abstain completely from alcoholic beverages before engaging in any form of sacred service. However, circumstances vary from one country to another, and the important thing is for Christians to “distinguish between the holy thing and the profane” so as to conduct themselves with holiness that pleases God.

  
  

  Yet, note what WTS said just ten years ago regarding the VERY SAME VERSES:

  Jehovah commanded those performing priestly duties at the tabernacle: “Do not drink wine or intoxicating liquor . . . when you come into the tent of meeting, that you may not die.” (Leviticus 10:8, 9) Therefore, avoid drinking alcoholic beverages just before attending Christian meetings, when sharing in the ministry, and when caring for other spiritual responsibilities. -- w04 12/1 p. 21 par. 15
  

  
  
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  Just shovel the coal, don't question the captain

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on jw broadcasting there is a video of a missionary couple who were sent to a navajo reservation.

  the sister says the thing she learned most at bethel was "shovel the coal, don't question the captain".

  it's worth watching about 60 seconds from the 4 minute mark.

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  Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The crew is accustomed to following my orders.
  Lily Sloane: They're probably used to your orders making SENSE!
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  Leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees

  by John_Mann in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus said about keeping off from the leaven (meaning influence?

  ) of the pharisees and that's why the use of azim bread in the supper.

  but what about the leavened grape juice aka wine?

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  Unleavened bread and the leaven of the pharisees are not the same thing. The bread used during the Lord's supper was bread that was specified for use during the Passover. Exodus 12 contains the instructions for the Passover meal.

  The leaven of the Pharisees, according to Matthew 16:6, was their teaching. Luke 12:1 calls the leaven of the Pharisees hypocrisy.

  Leaven has a few figurative meanings. In one case, Jesus likened the Kingdom of the heaves to leaven that ferments a bunch of flour. His meaning appears to be that it would have a lot of growth. (Matt 13:33)
  

  In another case, leaven was used to represent badness. 1 Cor 5:6-8.

  As for the wine, I don't know that the Bible even says it was wine. I've never looked closely enough. Matt 26:29 calls it, "this product of the vine". 1 Cor 11:21 says that some were taking his own evening meal and getting intoxicated. That may indicate it was wine. But the accounts of the evening meal simply say, "the cup" and "this product of the vine". I leave what particular beverage it was to scholars and historians.
  
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  Fudging the Numbers: Is the WTBTS in decline?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's no secret that the wtbts has a cash flow problem.

  over the past three years they have closed 20 of their 116 branches.

  they have sold off most of their properties in and around ny (including some kingdom halls), drastically reduced the # of printed pages for the watchtower and awake magazines, reduced the printing of books and other materials, increased the number of single page tract campagnes, installed cc machines at their assembly halls, and are now seizing of controll of property assets from local kingdom halls using renovation projects.

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  I can't comment on how much cash they do or do not have. Considering a purchase of a 250-unit apartment complex in Fishkill, NY for an undisclosed amount, but a transfer tax of $57 million, this puts it at $228,000 per unit. They'd have to have SOME cash for this sort of transaction.

  As for baptisms, I'd be willing to wager that the majority are children of JWs. Our recent Circuit Assembly had three baptized, all under 18.

  As for the increases in number of congregations, it appears to be foreign language "groups" being formed into actual congregations. One of the speakers at the CA mentioned three new congregations formed in the U.S. from Russian-speaking groups. Based on the number of baptisms, there are less than 3 new publishers per existing congregation, so that wouldn't normally warrant new congregations being formed. However, foreign language groups morphing into congregations would, as would the formation of english groups in non-english countries. This seems to also be on the upswing.

  Is there a decline? No. Slowing growth? It would appear so.
  
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  WT Study for Jan 18, 2015

  by Bobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for any interested, there is a good analysis of the wt study for 1/18/2015 here.

  paragraph 18 makes a curious flip-flop from w04 12/1 p. 21 par.

  15.. bobcat.

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  leaving_quietly

  This is actually a very good example of reading into the scriptures whatever you want. Saving for future use.
  
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  Is The Borg going back to “Old School” thinking & getting more hardcore?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im still in and i cant help but feel nervous as more and more changes are coming forward.

  i cant help but feel that they are starting to get more hardcore again.

  let me explain.

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  It's all under the guise of getting 8 million people to be "in unity". As explained at our CA, with 8 million people from all walks of life, one of the biggest challenges the organization is facing is being peacable with one another. Thus the "Seek Peace and Pursue It" theme of the CA. That CA was all about denying self and looking out for the other person. Of course, that's not a bad thing. But much of it comes at the cost of individuality. It's interesting how little the Bible actually says about ways to be peaceful. Christ and the apostles left the "how" part of "love your neighbor" up to each person, with small reminders to simply be peaceable. The organization, on the other hand, has to control it. How to be peaceable as a youth at school. How to be peaceable within the congregation. How to be peaceable while in the field ministry. And so on.

  I expect more control to come down. It's a natural course for a high-control group like this.
  
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  How to reply to- "just wait on Jehovah".

  by runForever in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all you have to say is "who says jehovah is not using me right now?

  " something to that effect.. if they say you are just a low-life nobody just point out amos nipper of figs.

  and if they say "do you think you're a prophet?

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  My favorite: What if Jehovah is waiting on us? After all, the scriptures were written over 2000 years ago!