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Books/texts/scriptures mentioned in the bible , though not incorporated in the bible cannon .

by smiddy in

if a bible writer / scribe refers to a particular book text or scripture by name , for one reason or another, shouldn`t that be a legitimate reason for including it in the bible cannon as a part of the bible ?.

just how many texts , books, scriptures are left out of the old testament bible that are mentioned there in and how many, if any are their in the new testament..

leaving_quietly

There's also the letter to the Laodicean congregation.

And when this letter has been read among you, arrange for it also to be read in the congregation of the La·o·di·ceʹans and for you also to read the one from La·o·di·ceʹa. (Col 4:16)

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Watchtower doctrine: Judges 1:19 (God couldn't defeat the Iron Chariots)

by southwest in

this weeks assigned bible reading is judges 1-4. i have never noticed judges 1:19 before which reads in the nwt as:.

jehovah was with judah, and they took possession of the mountainous region, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain,* because they had war chariots with iron scythes.

but in the kj as:.

leaving_quietly

Yet another verse WTBTS never comments on. However, typing in "Judges 1:19" into Google search yields many interesting results.

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses do this?

by runForever in

jw
friends

why do jehovah's witnesses as individual members readily think that apostates are having a sweeping mass delusion?

if some jw's have known you for a long time do they really think you based everything on some random delusion you randomly had instead of confirming the information?.

it's quite retarded even the bible itself is contradicting them in jeremiah about the 70 years.. i know some know, and some choose not to know but what about the rest?.

leaving_quietly

ARS, you seem to have a fascination with SEX. It's not the first post you've accused us as having that as the reason for leaving. I am a married person, so SEX is not the reason for me. Nor is it for quite a number of people here, so quit making these sweeping accusations.

NEVR ONCE have I known a SINGLE PERSON that was "due to doctrines that I disagreed with..." because you cant even be disfellowshipped for that AND THE MAIN thing is, WHAT DOCTRINE is SOOOOOOOOOO bad that you give up the baby with the bathwater?

And you know everyone here? Just because you don't know someone who left for this reason doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It is my PRIMARY reason for wanting to leave. Yes, you can get disfellowshipped for not believing. There's plenty of documented accounts of that. What doctrine is so bad? Does it matter? If we still believe in God (and I still do) then what is it God wants? John 4:23,24 says worshippers must worship with spirit and truth. Doctrines surrounding salvation must be truthful. If they are not, then we are not worshipping with truth.

If there is no paradise earth, then that's a false hope. If there was a paradise earth, don't you think Paul, Peter, James and John would have spoken or written about it BEFORE Revelation? Revelation came around AFTER the rest of them died, so none of them died believing in any paradise earth. Even Revelation doesn't say anything about a paradise earth. For that matter, that phrase isn't in the Bible at all. Paul said that even an angel should be accursed if anything different than the good news he taught was preached (Gal. 1:6-8). If an angel should be accursed, then so should anyone else preaching any other good news, INCLUDING JWs.

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List Of Watchtower Misquotes

by Bangalore in

here are some links showing various misquotes from wt publications.. http://home.comcast.net/~docbob1/misquotes.htm.

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/showthread.php?tid=2357.

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-watchtower-distorts-writings-of_15.html.

leaving_quietly

Thanks for putting that together.

LQMARKED

How about a Bible API?

by leaving_quietly in

since we post quite a few scriptures on this site, it would be useful if they could pop-up the verse(s) when the link is clicked.. a couple of possibilities i found:.

http://reftagger.com/.

http://labs.bible.org/netbibletagger.

leaving_quietly

Since we post quite a few scriptures on this site, it would be useful if they could pop-up the verse(s) when the link is clicked.

A couple of possibilities I found:

http://reftagger.com/

http://labs.bible.org/NETBibleTagger

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Feeling low

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

christ, my mind feels f***ed.

there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?

cult?

leaving_quietly

I hear you. I'm at the same place you are. The number of "what ifs" is less that it used to be, but there are a couple of really big ones.

Just yesterday, I was trying to re-prove to myself that the anointed are not just the 144,000. But, as I was going through the verses, this gnawing thought kept coming to me: what if they're actually right? I even drew a chart about how they prove this concept. And, as much as I hate to say it, while I have seen a ton of argumentation against the number 144,000 being literal, I have seen almost no argumentation against the fact that the 144,000 are sealed (Rev 7:3) and the anointed are sealed (2 Cor 1:21,22) or the 144,000 are firstfruits (Rev 14:4) and the anointed are firstfruits (James 1:18). Even jwfacts.com doesn't address these particular parts of the reasoning. In my opinion, nearly ever other JW doctrine depends on "anointed = 144,000", so this is an important one to me.

So, what if they're right about this, based on these reasonings? And if they're right about this, then paradise earth isn't so much of a stretch, even though it's not explicitly stated anywhere.

Anyway, hang in there. It's going to take a while to get past all this. Even if you stop suddenly, there's no way to stop the "what ifs" from hanging around.

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Explaining away the increase in anointed

by lurkernomore in

so i was just informed by my wife that her grandmother (who's also out) has been told by a 'sister' from her old hall that during their most recent circuit visit the co said something along the lines of:.

isn't it faith strengthening that the number of anointed is falling in relation to the increase in publishers?

!.

leaving_quietly

In the public talk yesterday, the brother said that the reason we don't want to go to heaven is because we don't perceive heaven. He used Hebrews 5:14 with the phrase "powers of discernment", then referred to the old NWT where it says, "their perceptive powers". I couldn't help but to shake my head. He was right, and even Paul knew that, since there were apparently some back then who didn't want to either. So, he wrote:

I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus. Therefore, let those of us who are mature be of this mental attitude, and if you are mentally inclined otherwise in any respect, God will reveal the above attitude to you. - Phil 3:14,15

Regarding the OP, there's no such thing as number of anointed in relation to anyone else. In relation to? Seriously, where do they get this stuff? Oh, yeah... high control group.... got to explain away the unexplainable.

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Jehovah's Witnesses recover best from surgery, despite refusing blood.

by nicolaou in

that's' the headline of an article in the sydney morning herald.

my jw family are sharing it with glee on facebook right now.

here's the link; .

leaving_quietly

I usually don't comment on blood transfusion topics, mainly because my opinion on it has nothing to do with the merits of a transfusion versus not having a transfusion. My opinion more has to do with how WTBTS regulates this area of life as law instead of applying mercy. Christ showed what mercy meant when healing someone on the Sabbath. He said, "How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath." (Matt 12:12) Just prior to that, he said, "However, if you had understood what this means, ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless ones." (Matt 12:7).

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Series of articles about the March 15, 2015 Watchtower on AD1914.com

by Gilgamesh in

over the next 5 weeks, we should have 5 or 6 articles/posts that will provide more commentary on the march 15, 2015 watchtower.

important doctrinal changes in march 15th, 2015 watchtower (study edition) explained wp.me/p4cpzs-xo .

http://ad1914.com/2014/04/20/new-important-doctrinal-changes-in-march-15th-watchtower-study-edition-explained-clarified/.

leaving_quietly

I'm reading your latest Elijah/Elisha article. Very interesting. Not through it all, yet. Time doesn't permit me at the moment.

One suggestion: when quoting from past WT articles or publications, it might be best to either (a) give the full reference as to where one can find the quote (e.g. stating Watch Tower April 15, 1918 isn't quite enough... a page number would be most helpful... took me awhile to find the original quote.) and/or (b) don't put ellipsis in the quote, as this gives the impression that something important was left out, causing people like me who have a distrust already of this practice by WTBTS to have to go look up the full quote ourselves.

Fortunately, the April 15, 1918 quote is okay, even with the ellipsis, though I would say that the final sentence in the paragraph in the article hits the point home, which you did not include in the quote.

These seeming disappointments were divinely foreknown, "his appointments."

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Need list of notable bible people who Jah let slide

by RedPillPopper in

need a list of people like cain, lot, david, etc who did things they should have been put to death for but jah forgave, excused or turned a blind eye to.

thanks for any info.. .

leaving_quietly

Manasseh

We all remember David, but it takes two to tango, so...Bathsheba. And not only did God let it slide, he rewarded it by making Bathsheba part of the lineage to the Messiah.

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