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  A flaw in JW logic on sin and transmision

  by _Morpheus in

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  the "special talk" this year was about family happiness.

  as always seems to be the case it was a bait and switch job since the talk had actually nothing to do with how to achive family happiness and everything to do with jw doctrine on why familys are unhappy.

  mine is unhappy because of jw doctrine but thats the implied irony in attending the sunday indoctrination i suppose.. that said, the speaker trotted out the oft used jw illistration of a dented bread pan to describe why and how sin was passed from one human (adam) to another (all of us).

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  leaving_quietly

  You're right, it's a flaw. Sin is not genetic. Even death is not genetic. Perfect angels sinned. (2 Pet 2:4). But sin leads to death, so if everyone sins, everyone dies, because, sin's wages are death (Romans 6:23). There's nothing genetic about it. It's simply a logic problem: If x then y. If sin then death.

  The word "imperfect" is not in the Bible. And, generally, when the Bible speaks of "perfect" or "perfection", it's talking about being complete or completely fulfilled, not perfect in the sense of flawless or sinless.
  
  
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  A Subtle Factor That Keeps Witnesses Silenced

  by freemindfade in

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  had an interesting thought this morning.

  when a witness is 'in' they think everyone else is following and trying there best all in unity.

  i believe the reality is there are a lot of us 'in' who know different.

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  leaving_quietly

  Much of this has to do with intimidation tactics. Notice the word "timid" is in intimidation. One invokes the other.
  
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  Why do we get TTATT and others don't?

  by quest81 in

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  2. friends

  i have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.

  how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.

  how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.

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  leaving_quietly

  What Simon said. I would add that the trigger has to be something very important to the person. Something that actually matters to them personally.
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  Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

  by B4Right in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

  my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

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  How do you convince a JW that every decision that comes from the Governing Body is not from God?

  My mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " Jehovah knows what we need".

  How do you convince a JW that every meeting part, every KM, every WT, every book, every brochure, every tract, every video is not from the "faithful and discreet slave"? It's physically impossible for the "slave", now numbering only 7 aged men, to be directly involved in all of it. Period.
  
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  April video online, "endurance"

  by bohm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  april video online.

  at around 42 minutes, a women find jehovahs witness, but her husband is not too hot on the idea and so she has to study with her children in secret.

  however eventually the husband prays to jehovah that if jehovah will help him find a leak in a construction he is working on, he will go to a meeting and presto, the next day jehovah help him find the leak so now he is a witness..

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  leaving_quietly

  Was there any special announcement during this video? I overheard some JWs saying there's a special "gift" in the April video. No clue what they meant by that.
  
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  i will just set this right here.

  by Defianttruth in

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  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-you-get-tricked-into-believing-stupid-things/

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  It's not just that we're ignorant; it's that we're ignorant about the things we insist are most important to us.
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  It's time to say goodbye to JWD - I sold it !

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  a week or so ago i posted that the forum was 15 years old (15 years of jehovahs-witness.com) and hinted that there may be some news to announce about the site:.

  i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.

  well, now i can announce it - i sold it !.

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  leaving_quietly

  Nice April Fool's joke!
  
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  Did You Know...Jesus Does Not Kill Satan The Devil! ... You Heard It First Here!

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this topic is especially for all the bible scholars in the house.

  the real serious ones... ...who like this type of bible discussion, though-provoking, challenging.. (please click below for the discussion covering this topic, in detail.).

  jesus does not kill satan the devil!

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  leaving_quietly

  You may possibly be correct. Or not. Doesn't really matter.
  

  Revelation 20:7 shows that Satan is hurled into the lake of fire. When is death hurled into the lake of fire? Before or after Satan? If Revelation 20 is viewed in sequence, then death is hurled into the lake of fire after Satan is. (See Rev 20:14) If Satan is destroyed before death doesn't necessarily mean Christ is the one to kill him just because he's king. It makes sense that God would be the one to carry out that particular action regardless of who is king. Oh, and we must recognize that God is always king, even while Christ is. Just because Christ is king doesn't mean God is not. But, God has chosen to let Christ rule. That's what the covenant for a kingdom is about.
  

  That said, who kills Satan does not affect our faith one iota, so it's not worth much of a debate.
  
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  2015 DC Invitation

  by pixel in

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  you saw it here first!.

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  Leaving-quietly, are you sure there will be 2 dramas about Jesus?? They must be listening to us here, because awhile back there were some posts here which mentioned that in all the org's histories of convention dramas (80-100 years or so), "Christ's brothers on earth" have NEVER ONCE produced a drama about Jesus.

  I thought the very same thing!!!

  Thanks to BluesBrothers for the translation. I mis-spoke. A "two-part" drama.
  
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  2 More March 2015 BOEs!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  more march 2015 boes!..

  click the link below and then click the green download button.. .. 2015 march 20, boe.

  (re: the final week of jesus life on earth).

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  leaving_quietly

  Thanks, Atlantis!

  Really?

  In addition, all congregations will shortly be provided with an updated list of suggested cleaning supplies from a recommended Watchtower supplier.
  

  Really?