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After a couple of days pondering the "new light" FDS change . . .
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so, i've had a chance to ponder this "new light" of the change of definition of fds now for a couple of days.

the initial reaction was of astonishment, and just plain anger, and i can see that i'm not alone in that.

however (assuming matt 24:45-47 is prophetic, parable or not):.
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Did they just show themselves to be the "evil slave?"
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matt 24:48-50: "but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, 'my master is delaying,' and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.

there is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.".

notice, the slave only has to say it "in his heart.
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Is "Gog of Magog" Satan?
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for as long as i can remember, eze 38 was, and still is, an end-times prophecy about how satan would come up against jws because jws would be "dwelling in security" (ez.

38:14) after all the other religions are destroyed.

this is pretty much the most terrifying chapter in the bible for me, understanding it as jws do.
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Contradiction in last week's study article
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6/15/12 p.15 par 5 footnote: "although the components of the dual world power have existed since the 18th century, john describes it as it would appear at the start of the lord's day.

in fact, the fulfillment of the visions recorded in revelation takes place during "the lord's day.

" (rev.
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Ex 7:1 ponderings
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if god could make moses god (capital g, hebrew elohim) to pharoah, what prevents him from making jesus god to all humans?.

my point is: the concept of the father is god and the son is god is not a big stretch in light of ex 7:1, when god made moses god to one human.

jesus, being greater than moses, could easily be made god to all humans, and it would seem to fit the scriptures better, especially when considering john 14:28 and 1 cor 15:26,27, and, dare i say, john 1:1 as understood by most people.
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What brought you here?
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folks here all have one thing in common: they are somehow associated with jws, either were one, are married to one, have a relative who is one, has a romantic interest in one, are are currently one.

perhaps you are not one, but something about jws bugs you enough to have found this forum, and read it and contribute to it.

what brought you here?
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WT Q&A Study Method
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for years, i've never understood why we read a paragraph, ask a question, and then recite what we just read in the paragraph, and at the wt study, it's an hour long period of severe boredom because, well, how many times can we recite the same stuff over and over?

even new ones who come in have been baffled at this method of teaching.

i have a theory, though.. however, i just read the "what is sacred service?
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Statement "from heaven"
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there was a post on here about a month ago about the dc speaker saying the statement was made that 'we are in the last day of the last days' and how we could count on it because it was in the outline and how the gb feels strongly about it.

well, apparently this is confirmed, because our speaker today was samuel herd, one of the gb members, and he prefaced it with: 'we got this statement from heaven'.

then he said something about not imagining coming up with the statement himeself.
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F&DS does not exist?
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http://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/criminal-prosecution-of-the-christian-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses/.

it was mentioned in here that the attorney claimed that the f&ds does not exist and is only a theological arrangement.

i apologize if this has been thoroughly discussed before, but i couldn't find anything concrete.
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How would you refute . . . ?
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i have an issue with preaching.

specifically, going door to door, talking to people who, for the most part, have no desire whatsoever to hear what i have to say.

more specifically, being required to do so as a means of salvation.