17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
It does not say covet your neighbors wives.
watchtower: 9/15/1956 page 572.
"although for a time god permitted the israelites to practice polygamy, yet this was not gods purpose for them, nor did he command them to adopt this practice.".
verses please.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
It does not say covet your neighbors wives.
watchtower: 9/15/1956 page 572.
"although for a time god permitted the israelites to practice polygamy, yet this was not gods purpose for them, nor did he command them to adopt this practice.".
verses please.
Your right none of those scripture referred to having more than one spouse wrong. Not even close,but that is how the WT writes their articles. They show a scripture on fornication(single) with a husband then jump to polygamy as wrong! Whereas the scripture had nothing to do with multiple wives but an act out side the marriage bed, such as a husband having an afair with a none married person caught in the act of fornication.
And that not the only subject they messed up!
But Jesus did speak about how it was in the beginning a man leaves his parents a clings to his " wife" not wives. Goes on to explain about ztiff neck people. But the WT never brought that point out so it is jumping subject around. They do not expect you to question anything!
Deacons or elder with one wife compared to others who had multiple wives! :-)
I even think that Jesus spoke and fed crowds who had multiple wives. Five thousand men were fed but how many wives and their children. In those days they had big families.
Well anyhow I am not for polygamy but I wondered about that issue. If a man had five wives and committed fornication then five wives would have grounds for divorcement. Apparently it would not go well with his "wives." Scripture only has wife and not wives.
Still your point is reasonable.
so this is the ultimate dilemma.
my wife and i are on the same page.
do we fade, in which all our friends, and i stress friends call us and feel sick and hurt and hurt and we feel guilty; or do we da so we tell the wt what we see as wrong as what we see that lead us to believe its a false religion; or do we df and let me or my wife let them catch us at some wrong doing and stop going to meetigs..... .
Fading is wrong they would bug the hell out of us!
Let her do whatvthe he she wants!
What do you want to do? Maybe you should consider two different options.
Living a double life sucks! Pretending to be something your not just makes you look untrust worthy.
So it something no one can say.
I can tell you fading is so much more easier than getting dfd or da. But hey she smokes so it is just a matter of time for her.
What is she smoking!
she said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?
at this point, she opened with a prayer.
"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.
She so brain gone!
Read the Make Sure under Abortion. They have a clause under certain circumstances life or death of the the mother. Just saying most JW do not read their Make Sures or what ever book it is now. Now, compare it to people who do not believe in abortion there is no clause!
She qoutes from old WT so she has a set concept how the study should go. You did a good job but it went over her head.
The new light conversation is so wrong!
Personally it is sad that you have to do this to get back in your families favor.
She is the type that will walk out when something goes wrong! Preach and change over night!
She ure was wrong about dfd ones. They do not make a choice and are treated harshly.
when i was a wee lad, there was a carnival atmosphere at assemblies as this old footage will show:.
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http://www.britishpathe.com/video/witnesses-baptised/query/jehovahs+witnesses.
Nothing about assemblies were fun! I do not think all the effort and hype was worth it.
California was fun place! But the assemblies were not.
Nothwest has great camping and fishing.
Funny, some of us were at the same assemblies.
this is a song by lauren hill she had family ties to the jw cult, so it is very touching and moving, she even gets choked up in the middle of the song.
i like to share this song with new ones or old ones and those who have heard it before every now and again, it so refreshing and hopefull!
enjoy it!!!.
I did not know this! Thanks for this tune!
Thanks for posting the lyrics.
"keep me as your slave."
How many cults claim they are slaves!
it's happened before.
how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.
"Don't be surprised if Watchtower implements a new draconian policy in the near future that says inactive ones who miss x number of consequetive meetings will be considered as having disassociated themsleves and are to be treated the same as those who have formally disassociated themselves."
Inactive ones are marked! They are considered bad association it is a silent disassociation.
It so obvious that when elders do not speak to certain individuals they are marked. Congregation notice and does the samething.
Elders also mark ones because they do not like them or in my brothers case his shirt was hanging out.
Why do you think people stop attending because they have no association.
Sometimes hidden rules are worse than written rules. X
it's happened before.
how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.
It means nothing! If everyone left tomorrow there would still be JW. GB would just hire someone to run the internet site. Actually at their age it would be the best thing to happen. More money for them and they could retire.
I am sure they get real tired if dealing with the garbage and would love to shut it down but the organization is a beast.
With or without people it will live on.
"the rnwt replaces "kyrios" (lord) with "jehovah" in translating romans 14:8 as follows:.
"for if we live, we live to jehovah,*+ and if we die, we die to jehovah.
* so both if we live and if we die, we belong to jehovah.".
The scriptures Island Man wrote Romans 14:8,9 was stating Jesus as Lord. Later Paul qoutes Old Testament but not in 8 or 9.
The scripture Apogno qouted Romans 10:13, Paul stated it was written and he referred back to OT: LORD,YHWH.
So the Wt should not insert Jehovah where it does not belong in Romans 14:8.
No comparison with Romans 10:13.
Everyone knows Jesus is Lord and YHWH is LORD. That the first teachings of the WT.
The point is the Wt will change scriptures.
Island Man good Job! Just another manipulation of WT!
Apognos look at the scriptures again! It was a nice try! I read the chapter!
"the rnwt replaces "kyrios" (lord) with "jehovah" in translating romans 14:8 as follows:.
"for if we live, we live to jehovah,*+ and if we die, we die to jehovah.
* so both if we live and if we die, we belong to jehovah.".
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.…
Verse 7 is referring to Lord as Jesus!
:-) Good one!
Most JW would ignore the facts!