i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.
so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?
i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !
How about if you turn it around!
Do you like it when someone says something that is flattering then later you found out the person said the samething to everyone?
Worse yet you found out it was a lie! The person did not feel that way at all!
You probably would think why did he/she bother because it would not matter! What was the purpose!
It is better to practice saying nothing. Hard to do but it is worth it.
Most people move on with conversation.
so one of my in-laws, a born in dub, started asking me questions about the issues i am having with the religion.
so i told her, rather carefully, how i discovered all the child pedophile cases, went over some of the case details, explained it is occurring all over the world, so isn't just some random misunderstanding, but is widespread hiding of child sex u all abuse.
she was horrified.
Ocean111
How is "Christendom" the "holy place" today, when in fact the first FIFTY years of the JW ministry was saying Christendom is NOT the "holy place"? How can a claim to being the "holy place" be the "holy place" in prophecy, which is not a claim but a "place", as Bethel implies illogically?
What another changed doctrine! Your kidding?
JW think Christendom the whore of bablyon is now holy place!
All my life they said Christiandom represents all world religions! JW were the true religion.
It was one of those red flags for me!
How could WT call the land of Christians bablyon to begin with!
I learn something every day! I wonder if they adjusted their teachings because exJWs!
No reason for them to change that one!
How can anyone over forty be a JW because of that change alone!
so one of my in-laws, a born in dub, started asking me questions about the issues i am having with the religion.
so i told her, rather carefully, how i discovered all the child pedophile cases, went over some of the case details, explained it is occurring all over the world, so isn't just some random misunderstanding, but is widespread hiding of child sex u all abuse.
she was horrified.
What was she disturbed about?
It is not clear, was she bothered about everything she did not know or that you brought it to her attention?
Stating"Going to the elders" is like trying to get you in trouble!
Anyhow, I guess she is one in law that is untrustworthy!
Although, you are not baptised they will mark you as bad association. Ignore you. Most likely they are waiting for your marriage to disolve.
I am jusy being honest here. If you do not join the flock they think eventually you will commit adultery. It is a so call lesson for hubby!
Elders I doubt will say or do anything because your not baptised and your husband is baptised, head of house.
Your in-law will be marked as trouble maker that is reality.
Elders get tired of women telling things! It is on going for them nuisance.
In law does not win!
for cofty et al.... .
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Love this picture! I wiil check out your site! I love to search for artist online!
we are up for a new kind of persecution in the future.
a new form that was unheard of for us.
in australia, disfellowshipped and dissasociated are planning on suing jw for emotional and mental hardship for being cast out completely.
No big deal they will start to rent the KH out!
it seems to me that jw's really don't care about doctrine.
ephesians chapter 4 verse 11 "and he gave some as apostles others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry for the building up of the body of christ until we attain the unity of faith and knowledge of the son of god to mature manhood to the extent of the full stature of christ so that we may no longer be in infants tost by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery from their cunning in the interest of deceitful scheming".
is it just me or does this verse totally annihilate the doctrine or belief in new light.
Sure the JWs believe in doctrine, there own!
So Eph, is different in the New World Translation compared to your version. When you read this scripture as a JW it was suppose to represent the congregatation during that time frame and carried out for today reprsentives who are the Holy Ones. JWs called the Holy Ones the 144,000! I think now it is Governing Body. New Light.
12 Really now readjustment of the holy ones! Unlike most churches today,JW need to readjust their thinking until Jehovah makes everyone understands,accurate knowledge. The new Governing Body are to bring the congegatation the new changes until each JW obtains accurate knowledge. Accurate knowledge is A JW Doctrine. With a clause: If you disagree with their teachings you did not "decern" the accurate knowlegde therefore your treated as a weak person. Many JW will say "time will tell" or you just keep striving to gain knowledge. Only certain ones were given abilities of discernment. another doctrine.
The big doctrines here is 14 toosed about as waves and carried away. Meaning for JWs is that all churches are wrong! so as a JW you could get tossed around by reading out side the WT Accurate knowledge! You could be confused and even loose your life at armegeddon. No Josephus,Stoicism,Historical Christian, Catholism. WT society can read these things but not members unless the light got brighter and I am unaware. :-)
15 "The truth" Meaning only Jehovah's Witnesses has the Accurate Knowledge. The Truth is there doctrine! one must speak the truth. WT doctrines over rides your bible version.
Please feel free to reread this scripture in a different new Light! :-) As far as JWs, I believe they gloss over and kind of ignore 11 because that was not for our time.
Let us know what you think, many of us would like to read your comments.
NWT
And he gave some as apostles,+ some as prophets,+ some as evangelizers,*+ some as shepherds and teachers,+ 12 with a view to the readjustment* of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ,+ 13 until we all attain to the oneness* of the faith and of the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to being a full-grown* man,+ attaining the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ. 14 So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching+ by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes. 15 But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ.+ 16 From him all the body+ is harmoniously joined together and made to cooperate through every joint that gives what is needed. When each respective member functions properly, this contributes to the growth of the body as it builds itself up in love.+
so as i have told everyone here, i am well along in my fade, and know ttatt.
i have even been pursued by the elders and interrogated re my "seemingly loss of spirituality and activity etc..." even though i am still an ms.. but cop this!...
i have been asked to join in the exclusive literature cart witnessing activity!
That really stinks,two solid hours with a rat Coordinator.
Can you take your own book bag full of old magazines to hand out?
Place in the inside cover www.jehovahs-witness.net
The rat coordinator will not figure it out.
Never mind, you thought about it!
there is a girl that i like and she has been emailing me recently.
we have not met each other just yet.
she is jewish and she is very involved with jewish organizations, etc...should i be concerned about it?
Wew,I sounded harsh! Sorry there is not a harsh bone in my body.
Just remember the girl is probably feeling like you. She probably getting all excited.It is ok if she is Jewish so was Jesus;-)
Meet that girl and take her to dinner. Laugh at evetything she says leave her wanting kto get to onow you. :-)
Peace!
there is a girl that i like and she has been emailing me recently.
we have not met each other just yet.
she is jewish and she is very involved with jewish organizations, etc...should i be concerned about it?
It is to meet her right? Put things in prospective.
What is the big deal!
It is coffee.
i recently sent this to a former friend that called me an apostate.. it's really straight forward, and there is really no way to get around it for the watchtower.
(not that the bible matters to witnesses, but it's good info).
- apostasy.. that's an interesting term, do you know when it was first used in the new testament?.
Phizzy I enjoy how easy and clear you explain things! :-)
There is a need to post Bibical topic to prove how WT abuses scripture. No such thing as a far easier when a light gets brighter.
It is how that is important.
JW Lurkers need to see and compare WT false truths versus bible scriptures.
Lurkers need to see how others read scriptures different from WT.
That is what this forum is about to help JW and this is one of the first steps.
ObjectiveofTruth great job on a thinking concept.
