Posts by sarahsmile

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If albumin is allowed when it's not from blood, could white blood cells from mother's milk be allowed?

by ILoveTTATT in

i think something that would totally "close the gap" with jw's and not accepting blood but accepting it through the fractions of fractions would be to harvest white blood cells from mother's milk (there are already mother's milk banks) and then transfuse them to witness patients who need wbc's.

since technically they are not from blood, i think it would be an interesting loophole.

anyone here know about a disease that can only be cured/treated with wbc's?

sarahsmile

I think your questioned should be posted on another forum. Maybe a place where a doctor can write you a reply.

Good to read that people did not by into blood fractions. In Europe the JWs we're allowed to reuse their own blood!

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History of the WBTS interpretations of the feet of Daniel 2

by wizzstick in

been doing some research on this.. back in ctr's day the feet of clay and iron symbolized (i think) the ten kingdoms: http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif.

by 1958 they believed what they do now, that it's the anglo american dual world power: http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1958_your_will_be_done_on_earth.pdf (pdf page 126).. but does anyone know what year the wbts started believing that the feet of clay and iron symbolized the anglo american dual world power?.

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sarahsmile

I use to jot down in my bible who they represent until I realized WTBTS wrote themselves into Daniels prophecy! LOL Can you imagine Daniel seeing future JWs preaching? LOL

In the 60s it was in Bablyon The Great Has Fallen. Also Rutherford fear that the organization was going to collapse because he was in jail! I was thinking that one of Rutherfords books but he was not that smart.

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Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.

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cedars.

sarahsmile

What the hell is wrong with this guy's voice. It is like he is whining and weak!

He is the kind of guy I would have to smack a few times to snap him out of his bull.

Someone else post this talk!

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Did Jesus ever shunned anyone?

by UBM101 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/258772/1/shocking-talk-from-2013-district-convention-urges-parents-to-shun-disfellowshipped-children.

i am sick to my stomach after watching this video by cedars.

that pharisee stephen bell said we should follow the example of jesus but did jesus ever shun anyone in the bible?.

sarahsmile

Ok I listened to this talk and it is taking Jesus out of context. First Mathew 10:31-40 is not talking about disfellowshipping. Second Jesus is talking with the twelve about himself. The preaching to the nation's and governments. Sending them out two by two so they can preach Jesus Christ and not Jehovah!

This is the new religion of the day followers of Christ and it has NOTHING to do with loyalty to Jehovah. They are preaching Jesus coming and proving power by healing.

Many were going to hate theses twelve because they are preaching the Messiah is here and the Kingdom is near! Most likely in a Jewish community.

During Jesus time with the twelve they were hated because of Jesus.

Indeed Jesus caused families to divide because most Jewish people did not believe that the Messiah was here. They were to preach the Kingdom was near.

Mathew 10

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa?mar′i?tan city; 6 but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As ? YOU ? go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ 8 Cure sick people, raise up dead persons, make lepers clean, expel demons. Y OU ? received free, give free. 9 Do not procure gold or silver or copper for ? YOUR ? girdle purses, 10 or a food pouch for the trip, or two undergarments, or sandals or a staff; for the worker deserves his food.

Look! I am sending ? YOU ? forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves. 17 Be on ? YOUR ? guard against men; for they will deliver ? YOU ? up to local courts, and they will scourge ? YOU ? in their synagogues. 18 Why, ? YOU ? will be haled before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations. 19 However, when they deliver ? YOU ? up, do not become anxious about how or what ? YOU ? are to speak; for what ? YOU ? are to speak will be given ? YOU ? in that hour; 20 for the ones speaking are not just ? YOU , but it is the spirit of ? YOUR ? Father that speaks by ? YOU . 21 Further, brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death. 22 And ? YOU ? will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 23 When they persecute ? YOU ? in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to ? YOU , Y OU ? will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.

The above scripture is not referring to families that are all Christians but a mix group who do not believe Jesus aS the Messiah. It is NOT referring to today. Although people are being killed because of believes in Jesus Christ!

IT makes me wonder, if this speaker is so busy trying to gain membersp loyalty to Jehovah by proving the above scriptures are about modern day family division through disfellowshipping and twisting scripture that he neglected scripture meaning and loyalty to preaching Jesus! This really is a good example of manipulation and scripture abuse!

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Did Jesus ever shunned anyone?

by UBM101 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/258772/1/shocking-talk-from-2013-district-convention-urges-parents-to-shun-disfellowshipped-children.

i am sick to my stomach after watching this video by cedars.

that pharisee stephen bell said we should follow the example of jesus but did jesus ever shun anyone in the bible?.

sarahsmile

No way! I think Jesus called certain leaders names big deal!

Paul wrote to congregations about what to do with wicked men. Put them out and do not eat with them. However,later he regrets writing the letter and writes another about forgiving one another so Christ can forgive us. He regrets his own harshness, read 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians.

Confession were handle through prayers. There is no biblical proof that a person who confesses doing a sin or confesses another person sin that either are thrown out of the congregations.

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Using the name Jehovah when praying

by Ding in

i know of number of jws who believe that if anyone doesn't address god as jehovah when praying that the prayer really goes to satan... especially if you pray to someone else (jesus, for example).. i haven't been able to find that specific teaching in wt literature.

they do say that we are to pray only to jehovah, but i haven't been able to locate a publication that says the prayer really goes to satan if you don't.. is there such a reference?.

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sarahsmile

Yeah many gods like John 1:1 ,NWT, explaining Jesus as a god. WTBTS explains the word god usually refers to false gods. It does not take much to understand WTBTS meaning. A god means false god therefore Jesus is like his brother Satan who is a god. Never did like that out dated Trinity brochure.

You guys really have me laughing!

I stopped using the name Jehovah because it was a King James made up name! I am only praying to the Father but I am sure it would be okay to pray to Jesus considering ALL power and authority was given to him.

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Should an elder discourage military service even if said elder has a military pension?

by garyneal in

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discussion with my wife concerning what i perceive as a hypocrisy that i see amongst elders (and ministerial servants) who happened to serve in the military long enough to draw a pension check.

all this in a former life (read before coming in to the truth) of course.

i think if said elder were to discourage a young one from seeking military service, or worse participate in the disfellowshipping of such a person if he or she choose to serve, smacks of total hypocrisy.

sarahsmile

GOOD Point! It is like elders congregate who served their country. I noticed that a lot growing up. The nice thing the knew how boys should avoid serving.

I think they should give their pensions back!

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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism

by raymond frantz in

a phone call with watchtower headquarters on baptism .

i would like to say i big well done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the wt .this video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is i think one of the greatest issues today in the jw deceptions of their flock .it shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .they are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .thousand of families will in effect break down.

sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .talking to them ,try to reason with them is a pure waste of time .. do you want results ?if you 're still in .

sarahsmile

Did you ever see that one Star Trek where they thought they were dealing with a super alien instead it was a small lonely one man show with cheap tricks and threats.

That is the BORG! Without the collective and money there still a few who will keep it going or just one.

WTBTS does not need a printing press any more! The top person does not need money to keep it going. If it is the GB they got plenty of money and buildings to keep the appearances of rich head quarters. Technically do they even need people or just computers.

What ever the case is it could thrive with a few people who have the shares.

In the beginning of the Borg it might need money and people but it is established with other companies and hidden markets. Take that back the Russell's did not need others money just captive victims.

Bill Gates and the twelve riches people in the world will go broke before WTBTS.

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SAD news about OOMPA......

by redredrose in

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our friend, oompa, has passed away.

just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

sarahsmile

WOW, what a lost he had such a great personality on here! He knew just how to cheer me up!

Thank you for letting us know.

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How Did You View The Elders?

by minimus in

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i know some who truly believed they were "gifts in men".

they needed their approval and wanted to be well spoken of by them.. i know some who can't stand elders and regard them as pests, always looking for some dirt on somebody.. i know some who liked maybe one or two but regarded the majority as unqualified.. how did you view the elders??

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sarahsmile

How did I view them?

As a child like role models.

As a person who has been through several years of elders meetings trying to get reinstated, liars.

It really is not that hard to keep matters confidential yet they failed. For years I wanted to sue them for breach of promise. Never did because they would lie.

Strange but only original JC are suppose to know why some was dfd but when someone moves letters go out expressing the details. Prior to my reinstatement, I changed KH and I let them know that I was not going to confess my sins of 20 years ago to them and really their was something wrong with the other KH who would not forgive others. Anyhow, the new elders promised that they would never find out why I was dfd and only the original elders only needed to know. After reinstatement,I was on the phone with one of the new elders and he confessed talking with one of my original elders! I guess he was trying to clear his conscience by trying to convince me why he did it was to help me out. JOKE on me right! Not only was he a liar but shared it with his wife. I noticed how she treated me and his face broke every time he saw me!

It just something I never got over! I am sorry for bringing this up again but for years I wanted to sue them for breach of contract. They broke a promise to me. Not just one elder but I went to another hall for years that was not the original elders they claimed new original elders and never got in contacts ever with the original elders. A part from sin, they deliberately refused to reinstate me. Yes they keep people out! These elders went along with this 80 year old elder who was the first elder in these parts. Anyhow, it was a mess and the old guy held a grudge against me that had nothing to do with me getting reinstated. The problem was that he was a an elder all of us admired and trusted growing up. Him and his wife studied with a lot of people. It was known who he studied with and who he didn't. Fifteen years later I found out that there is no such thing as inventing a new original elders,JC, to take the place of the old original elders. Another elders committee let me know the rules which they in return broke.

I learned about the elders manual online, I did not know they had a manual. How can people know the rules if they do not have the book.

SO how I viewed them as a child with false respect.

Now I view the JW elders as not just imperfect people but practising the art of deception. They are taught extreme excuses for their behaviours. Do they ever take responsibility for their actions. I had one elder who had a pornography problem while getting me reinstated. He always looked down the sisters breast and down their blouses. Crazy! Most practice lying, dishonesty, depression, and one pornography. NOT FROM GOD! But from the food of demons.

They do more long term damage. They are like contacting a virus. Some viruses stay in your body for twenty days but the long term harm is a life time of illnesses.

Hope this helps some naive person who thinks of confessing one's sin! Elders and Hitler have a lot in common.