Posts by blindnomore

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They will be DFing me soon for apostasy...

by RayPublisher in

well i figured i should give you all an update.

they will be dfing me soon for apostasy.

it is not a huge surprise and i am not afraid nor "shaking in my boots", however i will admit it is stressful right now.

blindnomore

as they pile one more "spiritual martyr" onto the holocaust of people they have spiritually executed.

(It's all SOOO DRAMATIC lol!)

I have a fellow feeling for you. I had gone through the same religious Inquistion followd by 2 and an half years of witch hunt. This was happening while I was still attending meetings. The stress level was beyond me. I felt Jehovah's protection when I was finally disfellowshipped. I was so relieved not being their target anymore. The only regret I have was that I didn.t get to tell them off, since I was still a true believer at the time.

Good for you letting your light shine before the evil slave and coming out publicly. You are taking your power back!

Want to hear a joke? You might appreciate this since you were juggling identies for soo long.

Cop stops this guy for speeding in a Van. Cop asks whats in the back of the van. Guy says I am a circus preformer and my props are in the back. Cop says can I see them. Guy says ok. Cops looks in back and sees the big long knives and asks what do you do with these? Guy says I am a juggler. Cop says prove it juggle for me. Guy says sure and starts his act. Just then a guy and his wife are passing by and this guy has had too much to drink and sees the guy juggling knives at the side of the road and the cop watching. He says to his wife I gotta stop dringkiing the sobriety test is getting way too hard.

I know you juggled the knives at Tahoe, btw I like jw struggle

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Is any one paid in the organization?

by ecuador in

hi, i am learning about jws, and would like to know if any of their leaders, circuit overseers, district overseers, etc.

are paid.

also, who owns the kingdom hall buildings and furnishings in them?

blindnomore

ecuador, Are you an investigator or a government agent? Were you told by the Watchtower Legal Department about Jehovah's Witnesses elders legal tie with its Headquator?

You don't have to answer the above questions. I think you know where I am going with it, if your answeres are "yes."

As everyone have clarified, Circuit Overseer(CO), District Overseer(DO), GB(Governing Body), Special Pioneer, and Bethelites are paid ministers. They are therefore direct representitives of the Watchtower Society. The Watchtower is liable for these indivisuals' church activites.

As far as concerning the JW elders, they are not paid ministers but are representing the Watchtower locally therefore the Watchtower is liable for them as well. The elders are appointed by and granted absolute authority over their local members from Watchtower leaders directly. The Watchtower Legal Department has mislead the Government agencies(in the USA) about local elders not being representives of the Watchtower Organization since they are non paid volunteer ministers. Such claim is designed to avoid legal liabilities and mislead the secular authorities.

A JW man was told by the Appeal Committee of Jehovah's Witnesses Judicial Hearing that he was guilty of talking against the Watchtower Organization by talking against Wathctower's appointed elder. This man was found guilty of talking against the Watchtower therefore and was disfellowshipped. Bottom line, JW elders=the Watchtower Organization. Don't let any Watchtower Organization's double tongue tell you otherwise.

As we all have learned from Candace Conti's case, the Watchtower is also liable for their Rank & File's actions for the damage caused to another members due to church policies.

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I Could Really Use A Friend

by Hargitay in

jw
friends

have been in the austin area for a little over a week in the midst of trying to start over.

i was df'd recently after being in the truth my entire life.

everyone has abandoned me, and i am lost out here.

blindnomore

Do you have a phone? Check your PM in a few minutes.

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I Could Really Use A Friend

by Hargitay in

jw
friends

have been in the austin area for a little over a week in the midst of trying to start over.

i was df'd recently after being in the truth my entire life.

everyone has abandoned me, and i am lost out here.

blindnomore

What Annoy Mous said. You are entitle to half what you and your spouse owe. You were terribly wronged by your wife and JWs. Pleas go to the police. The Police would accompany you to your home and would oversee the situation.

Where are all the texans when someone need help? Would any of you go check on him?

Hargitay, PM me for further assistance. I have a friend who was in your situation when she first left Organization. She went back her house accompanied by the police and got her home back from her husband.

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Question from Japan about "probation seat"

by jwstudy in

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friends

dear friends, this is my first post.. i like to ask all of you about custom among j.w.. .

i am from japan.

i have noticed several times in japan.

blindnomore

JWstudy, Are you a native Japanese or an immigrant?

I am from Far East who live in the USA. I have learned some differences in policy among Jehovah's Witnesses from different cultures.

Witnesses in my native Country, Asians, are more strict on procedure, more authoritative and tend to set rules for others instead of left to indivisual conscience. For instance, in my native Country, you are restricted eating foods that were offered to ritual(ie, ancestor worship) and practices of sterilization are banned. This was late 80's and early 90's. I was very confused upon learning the different JW policies on some of the core belief. Here in the US, these were/are the conscience matters(although the Watchtower has flip flop on sterilization).

Yes, I can picture Japanese authoritative elders arranging "probation seat" for df'ed ones. Llyod Berry was a head of Branch Committee in Japan for many years before becoming a member of Governing Body. I saw this Japanese influence from Berry in Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom.

I am df'ed and used to seat in the middle of front rows and stared at speakers throughout meetings. Not one elders have courage to eye contact with me for 2 years. They know they are loser and coward for what they did.

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HOW TO IDENTIFY THE TRUE RELIGION

by Fifth Column in

jesus said that the true religion would be evident in the lives of the people who practice it.

by their fruits you will recognize them, he said.

every good tree produces fine fruit.

blindnomore

No, Jehovah's Witnesses are not hypocrites of any sort. Jehovah's Witnesses have no more "rules" than the Bible dictates, and follow two basic principles as outlined by Jesus: love of God and love of neighbor. said Fifth.

Shouldn't your love for God move you to give your exculsive devotion to God only? Jehovah's Witnesses have deified the Governing Body and Body of Elders above God and Jesus. Open your publications, song book and attend JW meetings. The GB and BOE worships are everywhere.

Shouldn't your love of neighbor move you to take care of your own at least?(1Timothy 5:3-8) I am a disfellowshipped ex-JW. Some of my weekly routines are taking an elderly JW woman for a grocery shoping and take her and her husband to doctor appointments. Besides check on them once or twice a week. The elderly couple has family and extended family in the local JW Congregation. Some of them are elders, ministerial servants. regular pioneers, and publishers. Unfortunitely non of their JW families are availble to take care their elderly mother, father, uncle, aunt, grandma, grandfa, and spiritual sister & brother in their needs of old age. It's a sad situation.

What is your definition of love of God and love of neighbor?

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Watchtower honors Jehovah's Witness Elders responsible for Candice Conti and Menlo Park Fiascos

by Balaamsass in

this weekend was the convention for the southern san francisco bay area.

it was held at the santa clara convention center in the silicon valley http://www.santaclara.org/conventioncenter/ which is an improvement over the old s.f.

cow palace which is still used..just not as much.

blindnomore

Watchtower did the same thing here. The Circuit Overseer interviewed 2 convicted child abusers as exemplary elders at the assembly and persecuted the victim, victim's family and those who aware of the conviction instead.

The $multi-million$ lawsuit awards might help adjust their thinking on that.

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What are your core values? Are you willing to die for them?

by MC RubberMallet in

if you believe or don't, what do you value most?

and are you willing to die for those values?.

blindnomore

Justice and integrity. I'd rather be dead than knowingly go along with and/or condoning wrong and hurtful for whatever reason.

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Time again for........ Congregation roll call

by Jourles in

it's been a while since this topic has been brought up.

use it as a chance to see if there is someone you might know from years past.

1973-1976 --- lakeside, ca??

blindnomore

Wow, I just found my dear friend! I've been on the forum for over 5 months and it turned out my long lost friend has been on the forum for 11 years.

I am in shock in learning her side of story of what really went on to her and her JW family. You see, my husband and I helped her JW ex-husband in gaining back the custody of their children. Holy crap!

(I am on the project against my fomer abusive employer who disguise as a religion that can't reveal my location publicly yet. Maybe in a month(?))

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Let's Discuss Ray Franz's Books

by Recovery in

i have been repeatedly pleaded with to read the books of ray franz in my short stay on this board.

apparently these are all the all-powerful, wt crushing arguments, that lead so many to leave jw's and become ruthless opposers of god's people.

we can discuss any claims/statements/scriptural arguments presented in either of his books, as long as it somehow proves jehovah's witnesses are not god's people.

blindnomore

but instead flaunting and promoting their private interpretations of the Bible. So yes, I have to set rules because the members of this board are simply too immature to engage in a discussion and bring up real scriptural objections but instead they will do anything to discredit JW's regardless of what the facts show.

Recovery, To whom interpretation of the Bible belong to? A private person like Fred Franz? Would you like to learn some factsabout Franz' private interpretation of the Bible? Check this out!

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/211576/1/Who-wrote-the-May-22-1969-Awake-article-What-Future-for-the-Young

Oh, I've learned from the COC that Jehovah's Witness elders methods of black mailing, character assassination, and witch huting are from their leaders. I was stunned by the methods used by the Governing Body to crush Ray Franz and others. Some 30 years later the very similar thing happened to me and my family. It was the most inhumane treatment I've ever experienced. I thought it only happening here locally.