Posts by kepler

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How can the WTS call themselves Christians when they have no Christian church?

by TTWSYF in

so was jesus a fool or a liar?

he said that his church would last all ages, didn't he?.

math 16:8and i say to thee: that thou art peter; and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

kepler

Chruch or congregation, the implications sound the same. Peter is called aside for a conference and

given the keys to the executive office of an organization that will be around for a while.

Did I say organization? Well, it appears that there are a number that have edited this picture out of the script.

I think David-Jay's survey of the Protestant spectrum of though is spot on. Before coming into contact with JW, it puzzled me how so much of this thought was based on the notion that Christianity had been hijacked for a millenium and a half - and that nothing of value was there until it was filtered through a succession of Central European clerics and allied princes. Subsequently those that would save us from the hijacking used Biblical translations and anthologies as inerrant sources of doctrine in their mouths. Which meant an even longer interregnum until things could get even further re-organized in North America...

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

kepler

SBF,

You mentioned another thread about history. Not sure which one was meant, whether one of mine or started by someone else. Can you give me another clue? Have to rush off on some errands, but I'll see if I can find it.

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

kepler

slimboyfat,

Sometimes when there's discussion of long running programs ( e.g., Dr. Who), people will talk about which actor was their favorite. But when they do, it reflects the moment as a child, adolescent or whatever, that they enjoyed the show. But same thing here. I agree. It was a great time to talk about the big ones.

Kepler

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Translators left without guidance!?

by anointed1 in

if good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.

hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.

but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.

kepler

Found it.

And it's back in the queue.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/235015/truly-say-you-amen-say-you-inferences-from-gospel-manner-speech

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

kepler

In response to a question started in a recent topic, I just thought I would put this one back in the queue.

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Translators left without guidance!?

by anointed1 in

if good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.

hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.

but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.

kepler

Magnum,

This one went on for a while. I am still looking for the concordance based arguments I pulled together.

It might be in this topic or another. But it's a start.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/240288/one-silly-little-comma-wt-idiocy

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Translators left without guidance!?

by anointed1 in

if good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.

hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.

but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.

kepler

Sorry. Got interrupted.

I did a study of all the instances of "truly I say to you" and then a case in Acts in which Paul actually swears to do something. When you look at the Greek, you know why it is translated the way it is: to justify the a priori theology.

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Translators left without guidance!?

by anointed1 in

if good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.

hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.

but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.

kepler

Anointed 1,

Suggest that you look at some of the discussions we had on this board several years back. This passage was a particularly significant one for me. It sealed my fate.

WDK

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Is the year 2020 the new prediction for Armageddon?

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i have had a conversation this evening with a jw friend i have known since childhood.

he is of the opinion that armageddon will have come and gone within the next 5 years.

are the jws now pinpointing 2020 as the supposed year?

kepler

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@ James Mixon...

Didn't you know?

Even if an apostate tells the truth, it - by definition - becomes a lie, simply by virtue of having been told by an apostate.

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Kepler: OK. They are right.

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If the Faithful and Discreet Slave is Biblically based, shouldn't its term of indenture be long over?

by kepler in

well, we start out with a parable which in the kjv reads "well done, o good and faithful servant", corrected to be a slave and one of significant authority akin to the "fisherman" or the shepherd.

moreover it is collective.

and it didn't know it was discrete until after attorney moyle was told by rutherford that he talked too much.

kepler

If someone has been on this "board" for several years, of course, the fact that there is governing board of so-called faithful and discreet slaves is irrelevant. But not to people knocking on doors or about to jump ship to join up with them ( of which I was neither myself).

The idea that a slave labors interminably is foreign to Judaean law. It is more in keeping with Roman, Babylonian, Assyrian and (yes) pre-Civil War American laws. Granted, there are organizations that will use terms such as a Servant of the servants of God, but they are of Roman origin. The notion that the Governing Board is citing Biblical precedent or scripture in the form of a parable about a faithful slave for an interminable claim to authority is in contradiction to the notion of service or slavery in Judean society as described by Exodus and Deuteronomy. For that matter Genesis. It's term limited. Other interpretations are literally pagan.

Anyone going door to door in behalf of such leadership is being made a fool.