i'm giving 3 examples of this practice--that i know of personally.. .
my first wife--born in--divorced me over 30 years ago.
she totally shuns our son--now 38--d/f'd and now happily married and enjoying life to the max.. my pioneer partner--from the mid 60's-----he totally shuns his daughter---to the point of even ignoring her in the street.. a close friend of mine--in the 60's and 70's-----i was best man at his wedding.
My parents shun me. Ironic thing is I never told them I left, didn't even told them I'd faded.
And if they ever did get some hint of it from somewhere, they never even tried to check things with me.
Nope, it was straight down Shun Lane for them. Go figure!
SG - so sorry for what you went through. Having someone/somewhere we can write out our experiences, while extremely painful, can also be quite therapeutic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.
a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.
we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".
I agree Gadget and Bemused. The idea of making a long car journey with a little boy who only had brain surgery ten days previously kept me awake last night. We're talking at least 20 hours not including breaks. On one hand the father says it is so he can sell his house there to release funds for the treatment, but quite honestly, a house doesn't sell overnight. On the other hand news reports say that the clinic in Czech is willing to give treatment first and sort out payment afterwards.
In any case, that is all speculation. I do hope they can all be reunited soon and that the little boy can get the best treatment possible.
in light of the recent posts about the little boy taken out of hospital in southampton by his parents and is now somewhere between france and spain, i started reading up some of the newspaper article links posted.
i was especially interested by the comments posted.. note my surprise, and yes horror, to see a large number of people supporting the parents decision.
how the parents are fully in their rights to do such a thing, going as far as to imply they 'own' their child, so they can do what they want.. i know this is a very sensitive subject and i'm probably opening a can of worms, but i think it needs saying.
I think in light of our experience of how in medical situations the borg can screw parents to the detriment or cost of their seriously ill children, my primary concern was the child's welfare. This was not at all to judge the parents, but because we know how the cult works.
This is probably I was so surprised at the reaction of readers and their overwhelming support for the parents. They were looking at the situation as it really was and not from the view or fears we might have.
I too may have taken the same/similar action as the parents if facing a similar situation to what the father described. If I felt my child was not getting adequate health care or their health could be irreversibly impacted by a treatment that had better alternatives, then I would probably do everything in my power to get them transfered to another facility.
However, on a general note and not just for this case, I do feel there is far too much negativity towards the medical profession. I have seen a few doctors who were clearly not doing their job and they never saw me again. I usually do all my homework to make sure I'm as informed as possible, but even then, I would would only consider myself informed or reasonably informed, never an "expert". Sorry MissFit, I agree with everything else you said and really sorry for what you went through, just don't agree with the terminology "expert" :-). I don't see how hours, days or even weeks of online research can ever come close to the years of study followed by years of practice doctors have. But I fully understand where you are coming from and I never hesitate to question or even query things with my doctors. After all, we have to live with the side-effects and long-term consequences. It's better we know what they are!
I didn't even take home, I drank it with a mate in the back room.
You were discreet. I saw some take a swig, literally, from the bottle and pass it round ... in the main auditorium!
Even took pictures of them. Like real pirates!
Everyone turned their nose up at the "cardboard" though.
http://www.jw-archive.org/post/96026163083/would-taking-the-ice-bucket-challenge-raising-monee.
Why do people distort/misinterpret the figures just to pass a negative message? It's plain ridiculous.
A total of 92% of the money goes to where it is intended. Research is vital, yes, but are they saying that those already living with the disease don't need and aren't grateful for the help and services that that money can cover, something they may not have the means to pay for themselves?
Are they saying that public and professional education is not a useful way to spend that money? To train people as care workers? To improve the quality of services through professional training?
And what about fundraising? They may put 14% of funds into this, but for $3.6 million dollars to give a return of $95 million, is that a bad thing? If we need to know anything about charities, fundraising is key to the long term running of the programme. No fundraising means no money and no research and no services and so the list goes on.
Add on to that the administration costs of 7%. By way of comparison, Oxfam spends 9%, Red Cross spends around 5%. This is way below what a company would on their corresponding costs. Just because they are a charity doesn't mean they need any less skilled people working at the top which also means they don't deserve to be paid any less.
And what is so bad about this fundraising campaign. To be sure, I'm not one to advocate wasting water, but it has captured the imagination of people everywhere and it has done what it has set out to : raise awareness and raise money for a worthy cause.
As a side note, I get that the thread is mainly a parody and did have a laugh when reading some of it. But it does raise some issues that people, including my former self would easily take and run with as an excuse to do nothing. I've worked with several people who work at the grass roots level and do amazing work to help those in need. Their main and recurring worries that even keep them up at night are how they are going to keep their structures open and providing services. This sector is widely undervalued and overlooked, not only for the incredible services they do provide, but also for the vast number of jobs they collectively provide to a country's economy.
i haven't really been on here in like, a year.
my stbx introduced me to this site and then a whole buch of life happened and i just sort of never had time for forums.
but here i am at 3am, another sleepless night, and i feel like i am simply lost.
Regarding all the feelings and emotions you are going through, this is very normal. In any situation of loss, including a separation, there is a grieving period that you will go through. Psychologists say this will last around nine months and there are different stages you go through. At times the feelings and emotions can be inexpliquable, even tortuous, but they will pass. It is a way for our mind, or psychic if that's the correct term, to process the huge change we are going through. It's like psychologically your mind is in the process of healing a large wound.
I would suggest, if possible, speaking to a psychologist. Perhaps to get help, but more to get some answers and understanding of what is happening. It can be very enlightening. It can be very helpful. PM me if you feel like messaging.
in light of the recent posts about the little boy taken out of hospital in southampton by his parents and is now somewhere between france and spain, i started reading up some of the newspaper article links posted.
i was especially interested by the comments posted.. note my surprise, and yes horror, to see a large number of people supporting the parents decision.
how the parents are fully in their rights to do such a thing, going as far as to imply they 'own' their child, so they can do what they want.. i know this is a very sensitive subject and i'm probably opening a can of worms, but i think it needs saying.
I agree with you OTWO. It's what I think too. But I have also known people (non-Dubs) who don't think the State should intervene.
in light of the recent posts about the little boy taken out of hospital in southampton by his parents and is now somewhere between france and spain, i started reading up some of the newspaper article links posted.
i was especially interested by the comments posted.. note my surprise, and yes horror, to see a large number of people supporting the parents decision.
how the parents are fully in their rights to do such a thing, going as far as to imply they 'own' their child, so they can do what they want.. i know this is a very sensitive subject and i'm probably opening a can of worms, but i think it needs saying.
new hope & happiness - I understand what your saying. I'm not so much looking at the situation itself as people's reaction to it. That's what really surprised me. They seemed far more hung up on the legality of what a parent can or can't do and that the parent should always have the last word.
in light of the recent posts about the little boy taken out of hospital in southampton by his parents and is now somewhere between france and spain, i started reading up some of the newspaper article links posted.
i was especially interested by the comments posted.. note my surprise, and yes horror, to see a large number of people supporting the parents decision.
how the parents are fully in their rights to do such a thing, going as far as to imply they 'own' their child, so they can do what they want.. i know this is a very sensitive subject and i'm probably opening a can of worms, but i think it needs saying.
In light of the recent posts about the little boy taken out of hospital in Southampton by his parents and is now somewhere between France and Spain, I started reading up some of the newspaper article links posted. I was especially interested by the comments posted.
Note my surprise, and yes horror, to see a large number of people supporting the parents decision. How the parents are fully in their rights to do such a thing, going as far as to imply they 'own' their child, so they can do what they want.
I know this is a very sensitive subject and I'm probably opening a can of worms, but I think it needs saying. Even if parents do have the right to do things like this, is this really right?
Over to you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.
a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.
we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".
I opened this this morning sure that it would be a JW family, but there was no mention. I just read an updated article where it was confirmed so hopped over here to see what was being said.
Taking a gravely sick child on a last holiday I find to be hugely irresponsible. If that was the case, then hospîtals will work with the family on that and there are organisations which organise family breaks for children in this situation.
If they are trying to avoid blood, then heading to France is not going to work in their favour at all. French law ensures a child gets full medical treatment whether it goes along with a family's beliefs or not. JW parents would have no say in whether their child got blood or not. And if they had JW family in France, then they would know this already.
