I always understood that if someone became a "true apostate" that they had commited the unforgiveable sin. That is why so many that have "drifted away" or been disfellowshipped for moral offenses try to never speak badly of the witnesses...this belief made me feel like I might have a nervous breakdown when I first started figuring out what all this was about. So I guess there wouldn't be an experience for someone being forgiven for something that they consider unforgiveable.
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Ex-Apostate experiences?
by zound inexpanding on a point someone made in another thread:.
just wondering if anyone ever heard any experiences at assemblies or khalls of apostates that went back to become an upstanding jw.
or even just experiences related amongst jw's.
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Who could tell me the current WT stance on JW's Facebook, etc.use?
by Glander inseems that over recent months that jw's were being forbade to participate due to interaction with mentally deseased apostates.
has this been softened?
i have a reason for asking.. i use the word "current" because it seems the watchtower "use by" dates are getting shorter all the time.
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It is not Forbidden there is just heavy cautionary remarks and warnings about social media...basically what DOC said. When I was "still in" a couple years ago...some people I know would seemingly follow the advise and get right off and tell others to do so to, but then eventually they would all get back on.
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Is it common to,,,
by label licker inhave a local needs on apostasy, have everyone shun you, have no shepherding calls since you left for over a year, and now a jc tomorrow evening????????.
spoke to branch committee as well as co and they said to go and if we were treated unfairly then to call the co. don't get it.
the co would have known about the local needs talk on apostasy and says if we were treated unfairly to call him.
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what OLD GOAT said....very good advise...they will probably back off..
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What was your WORST Field Service encounter???
by TheCoolerKing insomeone mentioned to me the other day about going door to door back when i was a jw.
"weren't you scared to do something like that, knock on a stranger's door?
actually it's been so long that i had almost forgotten.
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I was 5 and was bit by a dog that had puppies to protect. I had to go get a shot and it was referred to as the "dog bite house" after that. I grew up with a severe phobia of dogs that carried into my adult years.
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Fun Facts learned this week in my reading...
by Terry inthe temperature of the earth's core is as hot as the surface of the sun 9900 degrees farenheit.. .
below the amazon river lies another river called the rio hamza.
only 14% of the earth's species have been identified.. .
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That there is a species of tick that can make you a vegetarian ( I kid you not, I read it in readers digest with my daughter) it can render you allergic to red meat
Also that a bathtub with baking soda in it can alleviate hives naturally
That Lions care about their Mane being groomed (also readers digest)
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My First Birthday!!!!!
by Gojira_101 inmy birthday isn't until the end of july but yesterday i got my first birthday gift in the mail.
my best friend (stubborn disbeliever) sent me my gift early.
i know what it is, but seeing it all wrapped up and knowing on my birthday i can open it...it really struck a cord with me.
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I had my first birthday too this past year and my kids have now had 2...they do feel really special. Enjoy it. and Happy Birthday...I have a friend who was born-in like me and his whole family has "woke up" and his grandfather had his first birthday at 93! I thought that was incredible!
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How I Treat Patients Who Refuse Blood Transfusions
by TJ Curioso inhow i treat patients who refuse blood transfusionswhy cant jehovahs witnesses have a shabbes goy make medical decisions for them?by chavi eve karkowsky|posted tuesday, june 25, 2013, at 10:45 am.
a placental blood pouch is prepared to be sent to a blood bank at hospital haut leveque university hospital of bordeaux, france.. photo by bsip/uig via getty images.
when you are performing the first interview of a new patient at the high-risk obstetric clinic where i work, question no.
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Interesting read and good points AnnOMaly. I have seen parents who acted relieved that if it came to "that" the court would decide. I felt a bit judgemental at the time. As a small child, I was told about blood transfusions and I was told about the "court ordered" ones too. Then I was told that I would need to refuse it on my own and if I were to wake up from unconciousness and there was a blood transfusion being administered I was to literally rip it from my arm and try to get out of there and keep refusing on my own. I have an image of that scene etched into my memory, I always wondered if I could be "strong" enough....but I visualized being able to do it. That was a huge pressure and burden for a kid...that has lead me to a lot of anxiety over the years and now even as a freed adult there is residual anxiety attatched to all this. Its hard to even participate in these discussions but I am hoping it has a healing effect.
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Genuine repentance - if you can fake that you'll avoid getting disfellowshipped
by slimboyfat into paraphrase a well known saying.
is it true, in a judicial committee, if you can fake repentance, then they are likely to let you off being disfellowshipped, almost regardless of the "severity" of the sin involved?
can former elders and perhaps victims of the process shed light on the matter?
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Ok..I have to throw something in here. It completely depends on the elders you get for your committee. When I was 18 and my then boyfriend now husband was 21. We were disfellowshipped for "the appearance of fornication" Yes you read that right. Other than being alone at his house, there was no other grounds for a JC. I remember one of the questions was what do the neighbors think when they see you leaving so late or early in the morning...of course I gave the appropriate answer. We were both completely "sorry" and very sincere...truly sincere. We were both disfellowshipped. I even defended this decision to others who felt that it was too harsh including family...feeling that it was deserved somehow and that it would give us the chance to show how sorry we were...show Jehovah that we were "serious" about the "truth" afterall "he diciplines those he loves". We got married in his parents backyard the week before the announcement. We were reinstated 6 months later...we even waited to go on our honeymoon until we got reinstated so that we wouldn't miss meetings and because we only had about a week to plan the wedding. My disfellowshipped Mother was the only family I had in attendance (and I didn't really talk to her much because of her status and I felt guilty for having her in a photo or two (I am so grateful to have her in the pictures now...also she has been reinstated for the last 11 years or so...such a cruel way to create seperations..she still talks to me though...as I am not DF), because it was a handful of family/friends that were in attendance and they were all witnesses. My witness family didn't come...my elder brother went so far as to say that he couldn't attend because "once they decide to disfellowship it means that the decision has already been made in Heaven " and he hinted at his disapproval of the few other family and friends attending hinting that my husbands elder father should basically know better. My husbands brother was there and he was the best man and had gotten DF'd the week before for a very similar thing (it was his first "offense" very sorry and 18 years old) and we didn't even talk to him.... nobody did....soooo messed up that we have to laugh about it now. We were so brainwashed that we didn't even associate with other disfellowshipped family or friends when we were out! That was 1998...we did not "wake up" until 2010ish. We were both raised "in" I was "born-in" and my father was an elder most of my life...he is even now...and my husbands father was an elder all of his life too. If we had been in my hall we would not have been DF'd, I know it...but I had moved across the country. I could literally write a book so I will stop for now but someday I will have the courage to post my full story or maybe I'll just write that book :)
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Genuine repentance - if you can fake that you'll avoid getting disfellowshipped
by slimboyfat into paraphrase a well known saying.
is it true, in a judicial committee, if you can fake repentance, then they are likely to let you off being disfellowshipped, almost regardless of the "severity" of the sin involved?
can former elders and perhaps victims of the process shed light on the matter?
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We got out of being DF'd because we knew that they wanted to call a JC and so we didn't anwer the phone, our door, or sign for the certified mail that shortly followed. If they have already "invited" you, never refuse to meet because then they can DF you without you there but cordially tell them you have a schedule conflict absolutely cannot make that date...tell them you will have to get back with them to discuss a solid date and then don't...and completely avoid any contact including signing for certified mail or running into them in public and then they will have to let the matter stay in "abeyance"...then if you can move
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I've never posted a topic...but I wanted to share something I wrote today. I have been out for over 2 years
by kjg132 ini would have been couragous.
if you hadn't pinned me down with fear.
sorry to be so dramatic,.
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Thanks for reading :) Some day I will get bold and post our story on here, it was liberating just to post this. Thanks again