Meta:
That was a very interesting writeup they presented on the AnointedJW site. They seem to indicate some sort of 'directive' from the top. If so, I'm surprised that no one here is privy to it.
Bobcat
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by metatron inhttps://anointedjw.org/fight_fine_fight.html.
first, message received, i get it.
these guys are way out there and full of themselves.
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Today's WT study!. Watch out for the "wicked" in the cong!
by stuckinarut2 inhow strange today's study was!.
warning examples of apostacy, and saying to all witnesses "watch for bad associations in the cong".
talk about paranoia and distrust amongst themselves!.
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leaving:
Thanks for that very interesting point. Here are other translations that, by and large, follow what you said.
The AMG Greek dictionary lists these verses with the same construction (aphistemi + apo + genitive noun): Acts 5:38; 12:10; 15:38; 19:9; 22:29; 2Co 12:8; 1 Ti 6:5. A note in another reference points out that the aorist form of aphistemi (in 2 Ti 2:19) calls for a definite break. This might be why the NWT uses "renounce," as it has a definitive character to it.
Bobcat
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Today's WT study!. Watch out for the "wicked" in the cong!
by stuckinarut2 inhow strange today's study was!.
warning examples of apostacy, and saying to all witnesses "watch for bad associations in the cong".
talk about paranoia and distrust amongst themselves!.
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CoCo:
I made a comment on paragraph 4 (something I don't do very often any more) based on what I mentioned here. Someone immediately buried it with 'what the paragraph says.'
I'm pretty much in agreement with what another poster said about it being a waste of time commenting. Anything outside of exactly what the paragraph says is 'disrespectful of the slave.'
Bobcat
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-14-2014 WT Study (UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 09-14-2014 wt study (july 15, 2014, pages 12-16 (renounce unrighteousness).
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentlanguagefilter=en&pubfilter=w&yearfilter=2014.
review comments will be headed outside the boxes.
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From Par.4:
"Yet, there appears to be no text in the Hebrew Scriptures that matches Paul’s quote."
The Commentary on the OT Use of the NT (G. K. Beale and D. A. Carson, 2007) has a very lengthy writeup on 2 Tim 2:19 (covering pages 903-906). On page 905 it says (in regard to the origins of the phrase, “Let everyone calling on the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness.”):
- Most interpreters regard the reference as an echo of Isa. 26:13 LXX, where a positive acknowledgment of God is implied: Isa. 26:13 LXX: O Lord our God, take possession of us: O Lord, we know no other beside you: we name your name [to onoma sou onomazomen].
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I wonder if the paragraph was being a bit tricky with its wording by saying "no text in the Hebrew Scriptures . . .," given the fact that the reference I quote above cites the (Greek) LXX as a considered point of view of "most interpreters"?
Other than that, the discussion in the WT (pars. 3-7) does follow the suggested origins of 2 Tim 2:19 as discussed in the commentary I cited above. Of course, no acknowledgment of where they got this bit of understanding.
Par. 17
The account says that “they immediately moved away.” (Num. 16:24, 27) . . . They “moved away . . . from every side.”
Check these translations of Numbers 16:27. There is no "immediately" in the Hebrew text (see also here for Hebrew of verse).
The 'moving away from every side' is due to the fact that there would have been tents all around these families because of the way the Israelites camped. The paragraph seems to be trying to apply "from every side" as if to mean 'personally in every way.'
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Proof Exodus 24-40 is late....
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inwas listening to the audio on the way to town as i have amny times buit noted a phrase that popped out.
"south toward the negab".
most people would place this in the sinai pen.
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Are you referencing Exodus 26:18?
Here is the older NWT:
- (Exodus 26:18 NWT) . . .And you must make the panel frames for the tabernacle, twenty panel frames for the side toward the Neg′eb, to the south.
And here is the revised version:
- (Exodus 26:18 rNWT) . . .You are to make 20 panel frames for the south side of the tabernacle, facing south.
And here is a comparison of other translations.
The Hebrew is literally "on the southside southward." The problem is the Hebrew word negeb ( נֶ֫גֶב; Strong's 5045) can mean "south" or it can be a proper noun, "Negev." It would appear that the revised NWT was corrected to read as most translations do.
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US World Power: Time Running Out
by metatron inhttp://www.businessinsider.com/chart-rise-and-fall-of-modern-empires-2014-9.
tick tock...... forget about that daniel image/prophecy stuff.
the process is being accelerated by trying to sanction russia, as they draw closer to china and thereby build an alternative economic system( including a swift banking arrangement of their own).
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i personally believe that sooner or later collapse will come for usa
I agree. And I don't buy the WT's idea that the US is the last world power. That idea is not Daniel's. It's the WT's.
While USA has tons of problems and so does EU, never underestimate ability of Westerners to wage a war. In past 2500 years no single civilization ever was able to conquer them. Never.
IMO, the fall from top-dog status for the US will be self-inflicted. In fact, much of the damage to their present world status is already self-inflicted. And I agree with Metatron that all this seems near.
Having said that, the US and the West (but especially the US) has proven remarkably resilient. All the economic doomsayers (Peter Schiff, Paul Craig Roberts, Gerald Celente, et al) have time and again been off on their predictions. Yet, the economic fundamentals that underly their predictions are sound. And the economic actions the US and West have taken to stave off collapse only seem to be painting them further into a corner.
Either way, the future looks interesting.
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BOE 2014-09-01 Our Kingdom Ministry PDF
by WatchTower87 into all congregations.
please arrange for this letter to be read to the congregation at the first service meeting after its receipt.
thereafter, it should be posted on the information board.
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It appears that the WT is now letting anyone download the OKM: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry
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Another bible contradiction about Jesus being king or what???
by Crazyguy inthe lies of the org continue, i was reading revelation and i came accross rev 19:6 in their bible and its states "and i heard a loud voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders.
they said: praise jah, you people, because jehovah our god, the almighty has begun to rule as king.
" then my first thought, what does it acctually say in their greek interlinear because at rev.
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Good post. I reposted some of your comment here for reference.
The aorist views an action as a single whole, but may contemplate it from different angles . The aorist states the fact of an occurring action with little or no emphasis on time or duration.
This is the reason that the NAC commentary quoted in this post (see the "footnote" quote) did not view "they are saying peace and security" as an end time event, but rather, as an ongoing attitude. In this case (1 Th 5:3), the aorist is lacking.
Enjoyed your post.
Bobcat
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When and where is the War in Heaven, supposedly?
by jam in1)when did this war breakout or did i miss it.. many commentators conclude that the battle between michael.
and the dragon occurs roughly at the start of the church age.. some even argue that the battleground is the church itself.. others say this scene describes the dispute between michael.
and satan for the body of moses (jude 9) or the long-ago.
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Wonderment made a good comment about Luke 10:18 (here) that related to when Satan is ousted from heaven. I am reposting a portion of his post here so as to catalog the reference with this subject.
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***** said: "It is interesting to note that JW.Org changed the meaning of Luke 10:18." At that he said to them, ‘I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightening from heaven’ (old NWT) and ‘ ........I see Satan already fallen......from heaven.’" (new NWT). Both of these translations are wrong for the same reason and in this case the action of falling from heaven is complete not ongoing."
The ESV Study Bible comments on this verse: "It is not clear whether Jesus is speaking of a vision by which he saw something in the spiritual realm or if this simply a graphic declaration of what has been happening, but in either case Jesus indicates that Satan's authority and power over people has been decisively broken."
Although the imperfect tense used here (" I was watching Satan fall") is normally associated with the past, context has to be taken into consideration for the final rendering choice, as the ESV Committee suggested that the passage was not all that clear. Allowing the possibility of a vision here can justify the NWT translation reading. Jesus' reply that he saw Satan fall has been viewed several ways. One explanation of various given, is that Jesus may have been saying he saw the casting out of demons by the Seventy as the beginning of the ultimate defeat of Satan himself.
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Another bible contradiction about Jesus being king or what???
by Crazyguy inthe lies of the org continue, i was reading revelation and i came accross rev 19:6 in their bible and its states "and i heard a loud voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders.
they said: praise jah, you people, because jehovah our god, the almighty has begun to rule as king.
" then my first thought, what does it acctually say in their greek interlinear because at rev.
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CrazyGuy:
Check out this reference here. It is the NICNT-Revelation commentary (G. K. Beale). Click on where it says "Front Cover." In the drop down list click on page "972" and then scroll backwards to page 932. There it discusses the OT background to God 'beginning to reign' as a consequence of his subdueing his enemies. There is also a sub-title on "temporal questions" and the Greek in the text of Revelation at 19:6.
Bobcat