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  Reflections - Updating MD card - did you stop updating?

  by berrygerry in

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  i finally removed my md card from my wallet yesterday.. although we were encouraged to create a new card annually, i had an internal hesitation, and a lack of enthusiam for it, as well as the meaningless cards for my kids.. the card that was pulled from my wallet was dated 1994. i obviously had some unconscious, if not conscious, problems with the borg, maybe with the 1995 generations bs.. did others stop updating their cards long before exiting?.

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  Lee Elder:

  That was a well written article! Thanks for the link.

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  Accuracy of the Revised NWT

  by dabster in

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  i was speaking with a jw yesterday.

  i'd previously mentioned the removal of the brackets around 'other' in colossians 1 making the mistranslation complete.

  during our chat he said that the previous edition of the nwt was the more correct one, that the revised version was simply more readable and that it shouldn't be considered the best translation.

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  Jehovah gives the command; The women proclaiming the good news are a large army.

  Here is how other translations render it. The MT uses a feminine plural participle (ham-ḇaś-śə-rō-wṯ,; "those who published"). This is why numerous renderings include "women." (Compare Ps 68:25; Exod 15:20-21; Jdg 5; 11:34; 1Sa 18:6, 7)
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  Dedication of Buildings (e.g. Kingdom Halls, Branch Offices etc)

  by IMHO in

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  2. friends

  just did i quick search it doesn't seem like this has been discussed.. why it's such a big deal, especially with branches where they are usually "dedicated" by a member of the governing body?.

  is there a spiritual, biblical, theocratic significance.. does it "change" the building?.

  should it be "un-dedicated" if it is sold.. i await your insight and responses.. .

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  The thing that gets me about 'dedicating' a Kingdom Hall to God is - How can you then turn around and sell it? It belongs to God, doesn't it? I can see fixing it or remodeling it. But selling it? - It has been dedicated to God. How can you sell it or even give it to someone else?

  For example, when a person 'dedicated' something to the temple, they felt it could not then even be used to help their needy parents, let alone sell it to others (Mt 15:5, 6) "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." (Mt 15:8)

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  School for Congregation Elders

  by C.O.B.E.Beef in

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  i attended the school late last year, and it was an emotional and mental rollercoaster for me.

  i was already divided in my heart to say the least.

  one of the instructors stayed in my home for the week, and my family genuinely enjoyed his company.

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  Listener:

  That is a great list. Thanks.

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  Accuracy of the Revised NWT

  by dabster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was speaking with a jw yesterday.

  i'd previously mentioned the removal of the brackets around 'other' in colossians 1 making the mistranslation complete.

  during our chat he said that the previous edition of the nwt was the more correct one, that the revised version was simply more readable and that it shouldn't be considered the best translation.

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  I agree that the older NWT was usually more literal than the rNWT, sometimes to a fault (controversial verses aside).

  On the other hand, the rNWT has broken away from devotion to the W&H master text and has made use of newer texts such as the UBS & Nestle tetxts (See e.g. here & here).

  Here and here and here are also some comments on various renderings of the rNWT. I view the NWT (both old and new) as neither the best nor the worst. IMO it has a useful place in a good Bible library.

  Here was an interesting comment on "other" in Col 1:15.
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  Anointed JW Today And Tianamen Square

  by metatron in

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  https://anointedjw.org/fight_fine_fight.html.

  first, message received, i get it.

  these guys are way out there and full of themselves.

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  Meta:

  That was a very interesting writeup they presented on the AnointedJW site. They seem to indicate some sort of 'directive' from the top. If so, I'm surprised that no one here is privy to it.

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  Today's WT study!. Watch out for the "wicked" in the cong!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how strange today's study was!.

  warning examples of apostacy, and saying to all witnesses "watch for bad associations in the cong".

  talk about paranoia and distrust amongst themselves!.

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  leaving:

  Thanks for that very interesting point. Here are other translations that, by and large, follow what you said.

  The AMG Greek dictionary lists these verses with the same construction (aphistemi + apo + genitive noun): Acts 5:38; 12:10; 15:38; 19:9; 22:29; 2Co 12:8; 1 Ti 6:5. A note in another reference points out that the aorist form of aphistemi (in 2 Ti 2:19) calls for a definite break. This might be why the NWT uses "renounce," as it has a definitive character to it.

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  Today's WT study!. Watch out for the "wicked" in the cong!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how strange today's study was!.

  warning examples of apostacy, and saying to all witnesses "watch for bad associations in the cong".

  talk about paranoia and distrust amongst themselves!.

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  CoCo:

  I made a comment on paragraph 4 (something I don't do very often any more) based on what I mentioned here. Someone immediately buried it with 'what the paragraph says.'

  I'm pretty much in agreement with what another poster said about it being a waste of time commenting. Anything outside of exactly what the paragraph says is 'disrespectful of the slave.'

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-14-2014 WT Study (UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 09-14-2014 wt study (july 15, 2014, pages 12-16 (renounce unrighteousness).

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentlanguagefilter=en&pubfilter=w&yearfilter=2014.

  review comments will be headed outside the boxes.

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  From Par.4:

  "Yet, there appears to be no text in the Hebrew Scriptures that matches Paul’s quote."

  The Commentary on the OT Use of the NT (G. K. Beale and D. A. Carson, 2007) has a very lengthy writeup on 2 Tim 2:19 (covering pages 903-906). On page 905 it says (in regard to the origins of the phrase, “Let everyone calling on the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness.”):

  • Most interpreters regard the reference as an echo of Isa. 26:13 LXX, where a positive acknowledgment of God is implied: Isa. 26:13 LXX: O Lord our God, take possession of us: O Lord, we know no other beside you: we name your name [to onoma sou onomazomen].

  [End quote]

  I wonder if the paragraph was being a bit tricky with its wording by saying "no text in the Hebrew Scriptures . . .," given the fact that the reference I quote above cites the (Greek) LXX as a considered point of view of "most interpreters"?

  Other than that, the discussion in the WT (pars. 3-7) does follow the suggested origins of 2 Tim 2:19 as discussed in the commentary I cited above. Of course, no acknowledgment of where they got this bit of understanding.

  Par. 17

  The account says that “they immediately moved away.” (Num. 16:24, 27) . . . They “moved away . . . from every side.”

  Check these translations of Numbers 16:27. There is no "immediately" in the Hebrew text (see also here for Hebrew of verse).

  The 'moving away from every side' is due to the fact that there would have been tents all around these families because of the way the Israelites camped. The paragraph seems to be trying to apply "from every side" as if to mean 'personally in every way.'

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  Proof Exodus 24-40 is late....

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  2. bible

  was listening to the audio on the way to town as i have amny times buit noted a phrase that popped out.

  "south toward the negab".

  most people would place this in the sinai pen.

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  Are you referencing Exodus 26:18?

  Here is the older NWT:

  • (Exodus 26:18 NWT) . . .And you must make the panel frames for the tabernacle, twenty panel frames for the side toward the Neg′eb, to the south.

  And here is the revised version:

  • (Exodus 26:18 rNWT) . . .You are to make 20 panel frames for the south side of the tabernacle, facing south.

  And here is a comparison of other translations.

  The Hebrew is literally "on the southside southward." The problem is the Hebrew word negeb ( נֶ֫גֶב; Strong's 5045) can mean "south" or it can be a proper noun, "Negev." It would appear that the revised NWT was corrected to read as most translations do.

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