Posts by Bobcat

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Any elders out there? How to Local needs talks work?

by Letts Party in

so a local needs talk was lovingly given at our hall last week that i'm positive targeted me specifically.

it had to do with missing meetings for work.

they even had a demo on what we should do if our boss asks us to stay overtime on a meeting night (basically say "no" and risk losing your great job which you have no desire whatsoever to lose)... so i'm aware that there's a sort of protocol the elders follow when someone in the hall needs to work on something.

Bobcat

When asked, tell them you follow the same rule Bethel follows: Work assignments take precedence over meetings

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Wt today and funding special pioneers

by Daisychaindream in

jw
friends

does anyone else feel like it was just a way to beg for donations!!!.

the society gives them a minimal wage to preach 130 hours so we should be the ones sending them money and good and clothes.

it's not like they help the community they go to, i've known missionaries when i was younger who were in deepest darkest soith america in villages with no water, instead of passing in skills and worthwhile tools they just study then go home.

Bobcat

The article is entitled, "Remember Those in the Full-Time Service."

It would be more honest if entitled, "Remember Those We Designate as Being in Full-Time Service."

In contrast to the WT's selective "Full-Time Service," the great crowd is described in Rev 7:15 as "rendering [God] sacred service day and night in his temple." Disciples of Jesus are described by him as those who, "disown [themselves] and pick up [their] torture stake and continually follow me."

The whole premise of the article reeks of Luke 18:9 - "But [Jesus] spoke this illustration also to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and who considered the rest as nothing."

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Parousia (again)

by leaving_quietly in

i noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.

"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!

i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.

Bobcat

Leaving:

If I am understanding the difference you are seeing between the NWT and most other versions -

The term "presence" in english represents a period of time. Whereas "coming" or "arrival" represents a point in time event. Thus, depending on how you choose to translate the word parousia, this will determine whether you use "at" (for a singular event) or "during" (for something happening over a period of time). The Greek preposition used before parousia is en (literally "in" or "on").

For any interested, here is a listing of verses using the term parousia in connection with Jesus. Here is a listing of verses showing that Jesus was already considered to be ruling (i.e. the start of his rule does not correspond with his parousia).

Bobcat

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A powerful JC recording from 1984!

by Island Man in

this jc from 1984 features a brother and his wife, who were evidently about to be df'd for apostasy.

but the brother knew his ttatt well.

the elders really couldn't muster any half-way convincing arguments to refute the damning facts on 607 and 1914. even 1975 was touched on.

Bobcat

marked

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Separation of the sheep and goats

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

separating of the sheep and the goats you can live forever in paradise on earth, 1982, p 183, states: since christ returned and sat down on his heavenly throne, all humankind has been on judgment... during the presentjudgment people are being separated as goats to christs left hand or as sheep to his right.. the wt of jan. 1, 1988, p 16, confirmed this: yes, all mankind is being scrutinized to see who are sheep and who are goats.... the messages are broadcast by human mouthpieces under angelic direction.

a person is identified as a sheep or as a goat by the way he responds to the angelic messages.

during this 20 th century, only jehovahs witnesses have cooperated with the angels in this vital work.. .

Bobcat

Good post V. Marked for perusal later.

Bobcat

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Jan 15, 2015 - Why We Observe the Lords Evening Meal

by berrygerry in

shouldn't this be titled:.

why are we observing the lords evening meal again(wasn't 2014 supposed to be the very last memorial - we really mean it this time?)?.

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Bobcat

The word "observe" is the clever part of the title. All the verses that discuss the Lord's Evening Meal say to 'eat and drink.' This is what "observing" the Lord's Evening Meal means. When the WT says "observe," they want you to be like an outside observer. Only they also want you to affirm that you are only an outside observer by actually handling the emblems and making the choice to not partake. It is a very clever lie backed up by some serious peer pressure via the talk and everyone else around you looking askance at the person who dares to do what Jesus plainly said to do.

(Matthew 26:26-28) . . .As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” 27 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, 28 for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. . .
(Mark 14:22-24) . . .And as they continued eating, he took a loaf, said a blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “Take it; this means my body.” 23 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, and they all drank out of it. 24 And he said to them: “This means my ‘blood of the covenant. . .
(Luke 22:19, 20) . . .Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf. . .
(1 Corinthians 11:23-25) . . .For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body, which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 25 He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me. . .

Bobcat

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The most important Bible scripture in history for JW's!

by Crazyguy in

luke 12:41new international version (niv)41 peter asked, lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?.

thats right this little scripture is the most important and telling scripture of all why?

becasue this is the parable yes parable about the fathful and discreet slave and peter himself said it..below is the full passage.. .

Bobcat

Incidentally CrazyGuy, my post was in support of yours and intended to provide further reference for any lurkers/readers interested in understanding the incongruencies in the WT's "faithful slave" dogma. I think you have a pretty good grasp of the problems in the WT's self-serving explanation of that parable.

Bobcat

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The most important Bible scripture in history for JW's!

by Crazyguy in

luke 12:41new international version (niv)41 peter asked, lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?.

thats right this little scripture is the most important and telling scripture of all why?

becasue this is the parable yes parable about the fathful and discreet slave and peter himself said it..below is the full passage.. .

Bobcat

And notice how Jesus eventially answers Peter's question ( “are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”):

verse 48:

". . . everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked"

Judging by Jesus' response, Peter's "us" evidently meant the apostles; "everyone" being all the disciples. Jesus' saying in verse 48 applies the parable to every disciple who feels they've been "given much," as well as those "entrusted" with responsibiliy.

From the WT's standpoint, it makes sense that they rarely quote this part of the passage. It demolishes their interpretation.

See also here and here for further links & research on this parable

Bobcat

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U.S ZONE VISIT PROGRAM

by alexandre in

who have the program of this zone visit ?.

please send to us!

send a resume ,a synopsis!.

Bobcat

I have copious notes which I'll type in later. The two main points of counsel were about being punctual (directed to Bethels workers no less! And the program went 10 minutes overtime, curiously enough). The other main GB talk was directed towards families ("Are you a spiritual family?" was the title). A spiritual family reads the days text, eats together, obeys the GB, dresses appropriately, eats together . . . that's all I remember for now).

No faith-testing announcement, unless you count the family talk as such. Anthony Morris gave it and mentioned it would step on some peoples toes several times.

Bobcat (more later -I'm late for dinner :) )

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Announcement that will "test your faith"

by tezrichmond in

i saw this exact headline on jw-archive.org and couldn't find no other info about it.

anyone know anything?.

possible hoax ha ha.. .

Bobcat

If the wording of the statement is true - that it's going to test people's faith . . .

Indeed, if this 'faith-testing' is true and from the WT itself, it indicates a huge arrogance on their part. I did a search in the WT-Library of "stumbl*." There is a massive amount of NT counsel not to intentionally test others faith: Mt 13:41; 16:23; 17:27; 18:6, 7; Rom 14:13, 21; 16:17; 1Co 8:9, 13; 10:32; 2Co 6:3; 11:29; Php 1:10; 1J 2:10; Rev 2:14.

Bobcat