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Bobcat
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23Whatever Happened to The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures?
by Chalam inwhatever happened to the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?part 1. print/download: pdfdoc.
the watchtower says on page 5 of the 1985 edition of the kit:.
there is no definite article in the greek before the word god in john 1:6, yet the wt translates it god, with a capital g!.
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Please post new forum feedback or questions here
by Simon inwell, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.
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What Are changes reflected in New Bible teach book?
by Joshua.r inexcept picture changes, what are the content changed in new bible teach book?
which pages?.
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Men are not looking forward to becoming Elders or Ministerial Servants
by Hidden-Window ini have noticed an apparently increasing number of men who are not interested in becoming ministerial servants or elders.
i also know of some that have voluntarily stepped down (which is my case) for no obvious solid reason.. i remember, during my teenage years or even during my twenties, the brothers were always looking forward to being appointed... although many still do, i have noticed there are many others with whom you do not know what the deal is.. since there is no freedom of speech within the organization, we remain in the dark about the motives and desires of everybody else.
i attend a congregation with only two ministerial servants, while it is full of men who do not seem to be willing to do more.. it is hard to tell exactly what is going on, since honesty is not possible while you are inside, but i am starting to think that more and more are becoming disillusioned.... .
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?
by sowhatnow inim recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.
it is our understanding.
we believe this to be the case.
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Bobcat
It is interesting to compare WT literature paragraphs which use qualified (aka 'weasel') wording, with the questions that often accompany the paragraphs. It is not uncommon for the question to want the reader or audience to make a definite assertion to what the paragraph is only tentative about.
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Daniels prophecy
by Hellrider ini`m discussing with a jw-dork on another forum, and we`re discussing 607, 1914, all that crap (no scholar, stay away from this thread!
) , and then he writes: .
"they were famaliar with the writing of the jewish prophets.
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Men are not looking forward to becoming Elders or Ministerial Servants
by Hidden-Window ini have noticed an apparently increasing number of men who are not interested in becoming ministerial servants or elders.
i also know of some that have voluntarily stepped down (which is my case) for no obvious solid reason.. i remember, during my teenage years or even during my twenties, the brothers were always looking forward to being appointed... although many still do, i have noticed there are many others with whom you do not know what the deal is.. since there is no freedom of speech within the organization, we remain in the dark about the motives and desires of everybody else.
i attend a congregation with only two ministerial servants, while it is full of men who do not seem to be willing to do more.. it is hard to tell exactly what is going on, since honesty is not possible while you are inside, but i am starting to think that more and more are becoming disillusioned.... .
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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Bobcat
The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key to the NT has something similar: "The word is used [in 2Cor 9:13] specifically to introduce or express a conviction; i.e. the obj. confession which especially has reference to confessing Christ or the teaching of his church."
The NAC-2 Corinthians commentary (p.414) has this:
The gift is also part of their confession of the gospel of Christ. The "obedience of your confession" could be a [1] subjective genitive, "obedience created by your confession"; [2] an objective genitive, "obedience to your confession"; [3] or a genitive of apposition, "the obedience which is one's confession." The first option seems best. Confession is to be more than the mouthing of pious cliches; it should lead to actions that speak louder than words.
[End quote. Bracketed material is Bobcat's for clarity.]
The rNWT rendering does seem to be a bit anomylous, though, by putting "as you publicly declared" in a separate phrase. The rNWT rendering also turns homologias (a noun) into a verb. The phrase is literally τῇ ὑποταγῇ τῆς ὁμολογίας ὑμῶν ("the submission [noun] of the confession [noun] of you").
Leaving_Quietly makes a good point that the WT maintains a different lingo from the churches. For the WT, "confession" usually only refers to repenting from sin.
Alternate renderings can be found here.
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Tell me what they are thinking or planning to do.
by LogCon inthis is the situation.. ten years ago two fleshly brothers and their wives, [ all are jw's and one is an elder] defrauded an elderly couple [ she was a jw/ he was friendly]out of the possession of their home and property.
one year after that, they took the life savings of the elderly couple and parked it in an account, without their knowledge.
when the old couple found out what happened, the four co-conspirators refused to return anything.
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