Where I grew up (NE US) we would say "yins" which (I think) is a contraction of "you ones," which has its counterpart in the south, "ya'll." It was a colloquial thing along with "gum band."
Posts by Bobcat
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15I really hate the word "ones".
by schnell innecessary as it is at times, i hate this word.
for one thing, "ones" is a plural form of the number 1. that is dumb, and it's reason enough to avoid it where it isn't entirely necessary.. one could argue that it never is necessary, but it can still come up in colloquial dialogue when discussing objects.
jw leaders use it to discuss people.. interestingly, jws even did this to jesus christ in their own translation of the bible, referring to him in ephesians 1:7 with "through the blood of that one" where another translation would say something like "through his blood".
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Bobcat
Hi dropoff!
It looks like Cleveland is just a small rural town like Darien. I wonder if there is a pattern to that?
It is also amazing to me that the friends are, for the most part, oblivious to the whole scheme. Only what happens to them or if they hear about it in their own circuit or through friends. It kind of reminds me of a made-for-TV movie from a few years ago called "V" (for 'Visitors'). The visitors were taking all the water and depopulating the planet (for food) without most people being aware of what was going on.
I'm so completely disgusted with the WT! I wish I we're more mentally separated from it. But that's hard to do after so many decades.
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Bobcat
I wonder how they will 'sell' this to the community where the hall is being sold. Unless there are nearby halls to go to, it might appear that the JWs were pulling out of the community. Darien/Crescent Georgia (USA) has recently been informed that their congregation will be dissolved.
According to the "Articles of Association" which were voted on by 'owner' congregations a few years ago, the dissolving of the congregation sends the ownership of the hall to the WT, after all debts are cleared.
In the Crescent case, the JWs there will have to go either to Brunswick (~25 minutes) or Hinesville (~35-40 minutes through mostly wooded roads). Crescent has a lot of retired/older members. I wonder how they would go about inviting neighbors to a service when the closest hall is so far?
I have to agree with Hecce. The r&f seem to just take it in stride. When they announce it they also have a service talk encouraging everyone to take it as an arrangement of God.
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Destruction of false religion, never!
by pleaseresearch inthis was always something i had trouble believing as i was growing up.
now i'm in my 30's i can see this will never happen.
even if the un the nwo whoever forces a global ban on religion.
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Bobcat
Indeed, according to Revelation 18:9, 11 both "the kings of the earth" and "the merchants of the earth" weep over Babylon's sudden destruction.
Mike, out of curiosity, what "new light" would you expect about that?
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Destruction of false religion, never!
by pleaseresearch inthis was always something i had trouble believing as i was growing up.
now i'm in my 30's i can see this will never happen.
even if the un the nwo whoever forces a global ban on religion.
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Thanks VI
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Destruction of false religion, never!
by pleaseresearch inthis was always something i had trouble believing as i was growing up.
now i'm in my 30's i can see this will never happen.
even if the un the nwo whoever forces a global ban on religion.
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Bobcat
Hey prologos!
I agree that much of the WT's idea is based on some convoluted eisegesis. But many of the comments, that something like this can't happen, are based on the world continuing to be the world we are familiar with. I linked to the McCain video just to show that many see indications of a sea change in the way the world is presently ordered.
IMO, no single power (even one as powerful as the US, Russia or China) could accomplish such a thing. It would require at least two things: (1) Some form of unity among the major powers, and (2) some compelling reason, such as the unified powers seeing religion as a threat to their continued existence.
I agree that until those conditions are met, religion will continue to have some use to political governments.
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Destruction of false religion, never!
by pleaseresearch inthis was always something i had trouble believing as i was growing up.
now i'm in my 30's i can see this will never happen.
even if the un the nwo whoever forces a global ban on religion.
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Bobcat
A planetary push against all religion would seem to first require a significant change in the present world order. The western world has been 'running' things for some time. And institutionalized Christianity is embedded in the framework of the western world.
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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu ini am new on this forum.
i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).
however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.
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Here is part of the discussion from the BECNT-Romans commentary (Thomas R. Schreiner; pp. 413-14):
The second half of verse 9 simply restates verse 9a and elaborates on it, so that the main point is not bypassed. Those lacking the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Christ; they are unbelievers and still in the realm of the flesh. . . Paul is not addressing what believers claim but what they are, and thus the text emphasizes that all believers have the Spirit. The switch from [Spirit of God] to [Spirit of Christ] is instructive, as is the change from the indwelling of the Spirit in verse 9 to [Christ in you] in verse 10. We should not conclude from this that the Spirit and Christ are identical, only that they are inseparable in terms of the saving benefits communicated to believers.
The elders are agreed with this commentary in saying that the two are not the same. But of more interest is what Paul says just a few verses down:
(Romans 8:12-17 rNWT) . . .So, then, brothers, . . . For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together. (bolding is Bobcat's)
The "so then . . ." indicates that the preceding argument forms the basis for what follows in verses 12 - 17. Yet those elders and the vast majority of JWs (as taught by the WT) will deny that these verses are true in their case and will look at any one who does think they are true as being mentally unstable or under the influence of 'false religion.' This idea, that what Paul says in verses 12 -17 does not apply to them, forms the basis for the refusal of most JWs to partake of the bread and wine at the Lord's Evening Meal in contradiction to Jesus' command to do so.
The WT teaches this lie so as to maintain their control over JWs. The GB say that verses 12 - 17 do apply to themselves. But the rank and file JW is merely a friend or well-wisher who must hang with the GB and do what they say in order to be saved.
Bobcat
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WTBTS' corrupt translation - to elevate elders!
by The Searcher inthe wt march 2017, p.11, par.
13 quotes ephesians 4:8 as saying, "the bible refers to them as 'gifts in men.
however, the org's own kingdom interlinear translation (and every other bible translation) gives a truthful translation of the verse: .
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Bobcat
The WT's reference to partakers as 'proud, mistaken or mentally unstable' is a method of 'framing the argument.' See my post here (on another site) for a link to that type of strategy.
The idea is to establish the parameters (or sides) in the debate: There is WT's view (which is presumed to be correct), OR, you are proud, mental or have some other bad/undesirable characteristic. It is one side or the other. There is no other option (according to the WT's framing).
What they NEVER mention is the fact that a growing number of JWs are partaking because they believe that this is what Jesus wanted them to do. And a growing number of them are doing it in private meetings apart from the WT. The WT does not want the R&F to consider this possibility, so it is never mentioned.
I would think that they have woven the idea of 'partaking' into their power/authority structure. So they see the idea of others partaking (and its implications for the partakers) as a threat to their authority. In the gospel accounts, Jesus is presented as a similar threat to the then existing Jewish religious authority.