Posts by Bobcat

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Is the USA too big?

by Diogenesister in

fred deftone on another thread about the tragic events at m. stoneman douglas school:.

the us constitution wasn't written for 50 states either.

the country has gotten too big and i think the solution is fragmentation.

WT studied by all congregations 4th Feb 2018.

by skin in

from the wt dated dec 2017 - study 1 para 11 studied by all congregations 4th feb 2018. the question asked on this paragraph is:.

what did the physician luke report happened to a young man, and how did that affect others?”.

paragraph 11 in this wt reads:.

Bobcat

Here is an article on Luke. A little way down in the sub title "His profession" there is some discussion on medicine in Luke's time.

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Try this on a JW

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

this is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.

jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.

Bobcat

Here was a question I had come up with concerning 1914 and Acts 17:30-31. Everytime I brought it up it stumped the person.

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Governments should not under-estimate the potential danger-health that the G.B.pose for the community of Jehovah`s Witnesses

by smiddy3 in

at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

its not such a big stretch of the imagination to think that jim jones or david koresh used such reasoning to convince their followers to do what they did, to have absolute faith in what they were saying was from god.

Bobcat

I've wondered also if, somewhere, in the authorities 'things to keep an eye on' file, they have some notes about JWs / the WT. After all, they have the fairly recent experience of Jim Jones and David Koresh. But these only amounted to about 1000 people or so. While, here, you have a group of 8 million +-. And to be given such a vague directive or tentative marching order, and during such times of religious extremism?

It makes me wonder what the authorities might make of it. It also makes me wonder about the sanity/motives of the GB to make such statements under these circumstances. In past times the order of the day was to not draw such attention. As Jesus said, 'be cautious as serpents but innocent as doves.'

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The real reason the Watchtower Magazine is studied

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower study is not real bible study.

it is a study to introduce wtbts beliefs,doctrines, and practices.

just think for a moment!

Bobcat

Here is an interesting document that discusses the WT's history regarding songs. The document makes the statement that songs are often used to inculcate organizational doctrine into the laity. (Not peculiar to just the WT.)

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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

by rstrats in

1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

Bobcat

I'll let some one else take them.

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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

by rstrats in

1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

Bobcat

rstrats,

Believe as you want. It's not a problem to me. But you are free to see it however you wish.

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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

by rstrats in

1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

Bobcat

Hi rstrats,

First, (in case you did not know) the Jewish day ran from sundown to sundown. (approx 6pm to 6pm)

Luke 23:44-46 shows Jesus died about 3 pm. Luke 23:54-56a shows that this was the day before Sabbath. They bury him before sundown.

Luke 23:56b they rest on the Sabbath.

Luke 24:1-3 at early dawn the next day they go to tomb but find it empty. presumably Jesus has been raised.

Translating this into our days, and using Friday as the day of death:

Fri, 3pm Jesus dies and buried before sundown.

Fri, 6pm to Sat 6pm is Sabbath, nothing happens this day.

Sat 6pm to Sun 6pm is first day of the week. Jesus raised sometime before "early dawn" Sunday morning.

So, supposing a Sun 6am resurrection, Jesus is dead from Fri 3pm to Sun 6am, or roughly 39 hours. But by Semitic time reckoning it is 3 days (actually, to us, parts of 3 days). He is dead about 3 hours Friday, 24 hours Saturday, and perhaps 12 hours Sunday.

Here is the Luke account at Lumina (for easy reference).

As I pointed out in an earlier post, the "three days and three nights" statement of Mt 12:40 may have been an attempt to create an equivalence in the hearing of his listeners between Jesus' coming experience and with Jonah's past experience in the fish as stated at Jonah 1:17. With our modern time keeping and dependence in life on precision in our time keeping, this appears to us to be an egregious mis-counting of time. But to Jesus' listeners (with not a single watch or calendar among them) they would not have batted an eye over it. Nor is there any record in the gospels or Acts of any later dispute about it. To me, the seeming discrepancy is more due to cultural differences between us moderns and the ANE.

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Old Light - New Light

by Vanderhoven7 in

terry walstrom posted this exceptional link on another thread.

i think it so amazing that it should have a thread of its own so everyone can have clear and easy access to the document.

terry wrote:.

Bobcat

Thanks Vanderhoven

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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

by rstrats in

1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

Bobcat

Here is another article on the 3 days & nights question.