Posts by Bobcat

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2021-Emergency Contact Information!

by Atlantis in

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friends

emergency contact information.. .

this form may compromise data that unbelieving members of a family don't want released.. download:.

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/6dgljbjl#link.

Bobcat

What's interesting about this and similar forms is that there is no owner information on the form. No name of the party that is to receive this information. You fill it out and effectively give your information to any anonymous interested party. And if you indicate any reluctance to give out your information in this manner they get testy with you.

In the USA there should be a privacy statement with this form. And the originator of the form should have identified himself/herself/itself on the form.

If anyone is tempted to fill this out, demand that the requesting elder put his name and contact information on the form and tell him you must xerox it first. And demand in writing to know everyone this information will/could be given to. And tell him it is only out of legal consideration that you want this.

And then stand back and watch him walk away from you (in disgust, of course, over your "disobedient attitude").

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Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

by joey jojo in

gen 1: 11 says: .

11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

Bobcat

Talking snakes don't bother me so much after I saw a talking jalapeno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NzfoWfXnCs

Incidentally, in my linked note I added a comment about Pangaea and Panthalassa.

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Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

by joey jojo in

gen 1: 11 says: .

11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

Bobcat

It should be noted that it is the WT that maintains that all the flood waters came from above. But for any interested, see "Additional Note" # 4 at the bottom of this post for a different view.

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Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

by joey jojo in

gen 1: 11 says: .

11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

Bobcat

The writer of the Genesis 1 account is employing a literary structure that would be audibly memorable to his expected (Hebrew) audience who (for the vast majority) would not have had a personal copy of the account.

Genesis 1:1-2 parallels with Genesis 2:1-3, not Genesis 1:16 . And Genesis 1:16 (actually, Gen 1:14-19) parallels with Genesis 1:3-5. (See here.)

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A Generation Change Again???

by BereanThinker7 in

i have heard a few whispers that once again they are going to be changing the generation teaching.

does anybody have on info on this?.

i would love to be able to hit my family with a. .

Bobcat

On Sodom's sin, see Ezek 16:49, 50 (here). Some of the wording in those verses could be applied to homosexuality. The wording is similar to that used in Leviticus 18 about men having relations with men. But there are numerous other things that she was also accused of in those verses in Ezekiel.

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What Song Reminds You The Most of Your JW Experience?

by Sea Breeze in

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friends

what song takes you back there?.

here's mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brb7rupqtsg&ab_channel=danielaaguilar.

Bobcat

It;s the End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyBtMPqpNY

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First 3 Presidents never knew JC began his reign as King in 1914 ?

by smiddy3 in

the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?

how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?

the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.

Bobcat

And if they weren't shunned by God for not getting 1914 right (in their current view), wouldn't it be appropriate for them to cut some slack to those who even now have a problem with 1914?

Instead, they behave like the slave in Mt 18:23-35.

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The Genesis account again proved WRONG

by opusdei1972 in

according to the watchtower's insight encyclopedia : .

the catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming flood in the days of noah, 2370 b.c.e.

this greatest cataclysm in all human history was sent by jehovah because wicked men had filled the earth with violence.

Bobcat

". . . subjected to 80 tons of water pressure psi"

I did a little research (here) on water pressure because another poster (on another board) was certain that the pyramids survived the flood.

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Do We Get A Clean Slate When We Die? (Watchtower View Examined)

by Sea Breeze in

the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.

Bobcat

The WT misunderstanding can be seen in the NWT rendering of Rom 6:7. It says "... acquitted from his sin." At least in the older NWT "his" was in brackets ( "[his]" ). But the newer one has taken the brackets out.

The english rendering in the KIT has "the sin" where the definite article is actually feminine (τῆς) because the greek word for sin is feminine and usually left untranslated, since in english we would not normally say "the sin" unless we were speaking about a specific sin. (Compare here.)

In Rom 6:7 "sin" is being spoken of as a force operating within a person, so that, when a person literally dies he would no longer be subject to that force. And thus, according to Paul's argument, if a person has figuratively died (thru baptism) he should no longer live as if he were still under the control of sin. His figurative death has "freed" him from sin.

"Acquitted" is also misleading, and based on the WT's misunderstanding of the passage. But the WT would correctly counter-argue that "acquitted" is a possible rendering of the word. So you wouldn't get anywhere trying to argue with the WT. They are smug in their self assurance that they are right.

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Where is the school for the 144,000?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower has many schools to teach their members on how to become more effective in various assignments in jehovah's organization.

they are trained to strengthen and help the congregations and branches around the world.

here is a list of some of the schools the society run:.

Bobcat

Just as an aside, above I mentioned the account in Rev 7:1-8 being an expansion on the question raised in the 5th seal (Rev 6:9-11). Notice how that view helps balance out a chiastic diagram of Revelation here.