This kind of reminds me of a scene in the movie, The Arrival.
Posts by Bobcat
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12Does the Earth (as a planet) deserve to be colonised by humans?
by fulltimestudent indo humans have the right to live on this planet?
we have, in much less than a century, managed to fill the earth with so much plastic waste that tiny fragments of plastic have been found on the highest mountains and the deepest ocean depths.
not satisfied with doing that, we stupidly continue to do it.
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What publication has the beliefe that Jesus is the mediator for only the 144k?
by mickbobcat ini can not find this ,does anyone know?
thanks.
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Bobcat
One "publication" is the NWT. At 1Ti 2:4 the NWT renders "all" (Greek pas) as "all sorts of." The WT would argue that "all sorts of" is a legitimate way of translating this. And they would be technically correct. Lexicons do include this as one way to render pas, depending on its context.
But consider 2Pe 3:9 where the NWT renders, God ... "desires all (Greek pas) to attain to repentance."
Why is the NWT OK with God 'desiring ALL to attain to repentance' in 2Pe 3:9, but in 1Ti 2:4 God's "will is that ALL SORTS OF people should be saved ..."?
The reason is that in 1Ti 2:5 the arrangement for "men" to be saved is given: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus ..."
WT can't have "ALL" in 1Ti 2:4 because that would mean that the New Covenant (of which Jesus is the mediator) is open to ALL humans. WT theology says that it is only open to 144,000. Thus, "ALL SORTS OF" subtly gets around that thorny little problem. (1Ti 2:4-5 would also argue that ALL should partake at the Lord's Evening Meal. But that is an aside.)
This is one of the subtle distortions of the NWT. Yet WT would argue that "all sorts of" is technically possible as a rendering. And they would be correct, technically speaking. But what they are really doing is 'making the word of God invalid due to their tradition.' (Mr 7:9) And they are doing it with great 'skill' as Mr 7:9 says. They are every bit as skillful as the Pharisees were.
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Watchtower Change On Origins from 42,000 Years to the "Day Age" Theory
by Sea Breeze indoes anyone know when and how the change took place?
is the "day age" theory still the current position of watchtower?.
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Bobcat
They always held that the days of Genesis 1 were specifically regarding the preparation of the earth for life. All time before that was lumped under Gen 1:1.
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Interesting bit of JW World War II Trivia.
by Athanasius induring world war ii when the nazis occupied a large section of the western part of the ussr, heinrich himmler considered various methods to help control the indigenous population.
alexander dallin reports in his book german rule in russia 1941-1945—a study of occupation policies, page 616:.
“himmler conceded that the easterners needed some general system of values, but it was madness to spread nazism among them, and to revive the orthodox or to promote the catholic church in the east was dangerous.
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Bobcat
Hi Phizzy,
That was interesting. That was one aspect I had never heard before.
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Interesting bit of JW World War II Trivia.
by Athanasius induring world war ii when the nazis occupied a large section of the western part of the ussr, heinrich himmler considered various methods to help control the indigenous population.
alexander dallin reports in his book german rule in russia 1941-1945—a study of occupation policies, page 616:.
“himmler conceded that the easterners needed some general system of values, but it was madness to spread nazism among them, and to revive the orthodox or to promote the catholic church in the east was dangerous.
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Bobcat
The WT is very brief in what they say about WWII probably because they maintain a narrative that puts them as foreknowing all that was going to happen, For example, see this relatively brief thread for some less than savory WT history about WWII. They actually counseled the US and Britain not to resist the Axis because the Axis powers were destined to win the war.
The Society (at more recent convention talks) maintains that they knew all along that the Axis would lose. The "faithful slave" was on the ball, so-to-speak. I can see them not wanting the R&F exploring all the details.
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An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.
by Giles Gray ini recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.
he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.
i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.
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Bobcat
Had the Jewish Christians not stirred up trouble in the congregations, the issue of the Gentiles and the Law would never have been addressed, which means that the Gentiles would not have been asked to follow those parts of the Law. They would have continued alongside the Jewish brothers as they had for the previous 13 years.
That is a very good point GG.
As an aside, does anyone know where the article is wherein WT encourages JW healthcare workers to report blood use (or other WT health infractions) by other JWs to their elders?
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2021-March-S-147-English and German--Announcements And Reminders!
by Atlantis in2021-march-s-147--announcements and reminders.. english and german.
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/jtoy3vol#link.
another link:.
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Bobcat
Thanks Atlantis for posting this. Quite interesting! It's amazing how afraid they are of any extraneous meetings. And all that angst is a result of their misapplication of Mt 24:45.
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An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.
by Giles Gray ini recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.
he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.
i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.
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An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.
by Giles Gray ini recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.
he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.
i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.
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Bobcat
TD,
I really appreciate that post!
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"Modern Bibles" New World Translation - Part II
by Perry inbehold, the days come, saith the lord god, that i will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the lord .
amos 8: 11. .
most of us who have been raised as jehovahs witnesses since at least the 1960s were occasionally reminded of the scholarship of fred franz and his command of eight or more languages, including the biblical languages of hebrew and greek.
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