Heaven:
Could you explain how the cat-woman got in that picture?
The other two guys look like they're imitating John Lovitz as the devil.
Posts by Bobcat
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47The End of False Religion Is Near! HAHAHA
by tootired2care inmemories!
i remember a few years back being involved in the campaign work, and having the distinctly awkward experience of having to hand the householders this piece of sh1t tract "the end of false religion is near!"..
i recall the discomfort i had trying to get into a conversation about this nonsense.
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Bobcat
The Society's view of the conscience is not all that different from how Patriots and Terrorists are viewed. With Patriots and Terrorists, it really depends on which side you're on.
If you stand your ground on something the Society agrees with, you are loyal to God by keeping a good conscience. But if you stand your ground on something the Society disagrees with, you are a disloyal evil apostate.
Oh yea, there is a footnote to that. If you stand your ground on something the Society disagrees with, you are a disloyal evil apostate. If the Society later changes their viewpoint to be the same as yours, guess what? You are still a disloyal evil apostate, even though you actually stood up for what they now hold to be true. From the Society's viewpoint, you had the temerity to keep a good conscience without their approval. You will surely die for such brazen conduct.
That is how the WT views the conscience.
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The End of False Religion Is Near! HAHAHA
by tootired2care inmemories!
i remember a few years back being involved in the campaign work, and having the distinctly awkward experience of having to hand the householders this piece of sh1t tract "the end of false religion is near!"..
i recall the discomfort i had trying to get into a conversation about this nonsense.
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Bobcat
I've heard-say that the Society was quietly hoping to spark the great tribulation with this tract. Nothing official. Just several expressing the same thought which made it curious. I wonder if any others have heard such a thing?
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D/A Summer 2012 "What Is Really Meant "It's Better To Give Than To Receive"?? Acts 20:35
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inyou should remember the words of the lord jesus: 'it is more blessed to give than to receive.'".
new american standard bible (1995).
i have shown you all things, that so laboring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the lord jesus, that he said, it is more blessed to give than to receive..
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Bobcat
Bubblegum:
The specific context for the saying in verse 35 goes back to verse 33, or even verse 31. The phrase, "so laboring" or "thus laboring" requires looking back in the context to see what "so laboring" refers to. But the context also includes who Paul was talking to. This can be seen in verse 17.
Several commentaries I have basically point out the same thing: Paul was counseling the Ephesian older men/elders (presbyters) against greed, avarice, or using their position within the congregation for profit making. Paul set an example of this in several places. (Corinth: Acts 18:2f; 1 Cor 4:12; 9:12, 15; 2 Cor 11:7; 12:13; Thessalonica: 1 Thes 2:9; 2 Thes 3:7, 8; etc.)
A footnote says: "It is striking that this logion is not included among Jesus' sayings in the four Gospels. It has rather extensive parallels in Greek literature (cf. Plutarch, Moralia 2:173d, 778c; Thucydides, 2.97.4; Seneca, Epistles 81.17) The thought is also found in the Jewish tradition (cf. Sirach 4:31). It seems to be a question of a proverbial statement. Similar thought is found in the gospel tradition, and the emphasis on giving is found frequently in the sayings of Jesus (cf. Luke 6:30, 38; 11:41; 12:33; 18:22).
Take Care
Edited to add: The context would make it more directly applicable to elders, COs, DOs, and the Society, rather than the R&F.
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"2012 D/A Insight 3" "WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BE ANGRY WHEN ELDERS ACCUSE YOU OF WICKED CONDUCT" Example Used Hannah!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inthink about this tasty thought i learned today, i am using my own examples.
ponder please, the example they used as being the "annointed appointed of jehovah", that's the irony of the example the slave used.. .
after three months of missing meetings you decide to get your clothes together, you get dressed and leave for the kingdom hall.
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Bubblegum:
sisters ... "bring all your problems before the holy men
I commented at the meeting that 'elders weren't the only source of wisdom in the congregation, but that Titus 2:3 says that older women were a source of family counsel for younger women.
Guess how that comment went over.
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Bobcat
The Bible (especially the NT) talks about keeping a good conscience.
The WT talks about 'conscience matters.' In other words, they decide what areas are appropriate for you to use your conscience. Anything else, they're conscience decides for you. (I'm answering from a WT view - since this is a JWN forum.)
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LostInThought:
Why is everything based on status in this organization?
That is a good question considering Jesus told his disciples, "all you are brothers." (Mt 23:8) In fact, if you look at the context of that saying (Mt 23:1-12), Jesus is contrasting his disciples with the status seeking of the religious leaders of his day.
I think (and others may be able to point out specifics), but I think status and instilling a desire to attain it are characteristics of high-control groups. The status is used to reward obedient behaviour and taking it away is used to punish non-conformity.
Take Care
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Jehovah's Witnesses vs. Pharisees
by processor inalso here: http://eng.svhelden.info/?page_id=22.
similarities between pharisees and jehovahs witnesses.
pharisees .
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Designs:
"Nothing in the New Testament about the Pharisees is true."
Why do you say this? Any examples?
(Asked in a spirit of curiosity and to understand your viewpoint, not as a challenge.)
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Is this valid reasoning for Trinitarian Doctrine?
by Flat_Accent ini had been watching jwfairytale's videos recently, and he's been including snippets of this short film about a guy that becomes a jw and then changes to a born again, or so i think.
you can watch it here.
it's very dated, but quite enjoyable:.
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Bobcat
Leolaia, Thanks for 'splaining that (said in Ricky Ricardo fashion)
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Is this valid reasoning for Trinitarian Doctrine?
by Flat_Accent ini had been watching jwfairytale's videos recently, and he's been including snippets of this short film about a guy that becomes a jw and then changes to a born again, or so i think.
you can watch it here.
it's very dated, but quite enjoyable:.
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Bobcat
Leolaia said:
It isn't just a matter of inserting Jehovah into the text; the passage in ch. 22 also conveniently changes the speakers from Jehovah to Jesus by introducing a second series of quotation marks (note the end quotation-mark in red):
(Quote of Revelation 22:8-21)
Note that contrary to this scheme, the phrase "I am coming quickly" refers to Jehovah in v. 12 and Jesus in v. 20.
I was trying to follow the logic of your post. I see the point about the insertion of the quotation mark at the end of verse 15. If I understand correctly, it is an attempt by the NWT to make the speaker of verses 12-15 different from the speaker of verse 16. (Nice attention to detail by the way.)
I'm confused a bit though. The way I am reading your comments, in the comment before the quote of 22:8-21, it sounds like you are saying that the inserted quotation mark is just as improper as inserting the Tetragram.
But in the comments after the quote it sounds like you are saying, "contrary to this scheme [of inserting the extra quotation mark at the end of vs.15], the phrase "I am coming quickly" refers to Jehovah in v. 12 and Jesus in v. 20.
In other words, it sounds like you first say the speaker of verse 12 should be the same as the speaker of verse 20. And then you reverse that in the comment after the quotation of verses 8-21.
I just got off of work. So it could be that I'm just not up to any analytical thinking right now. If I'm misreading your comments, I apologize.
Take Care