On Lubke's statement to Himmler (or whoever it was) that the Bible Students already knew that the German Reich would fall, see my post on this page (5th post down) for some WT interpretation that they failed to mention in connection with this incident.
Posts by Bobcat
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6WT on being convinced you have the truth
by road to nowhere inpar.
" what may happen if our faith is based only on the christian love shown by our brothers and sisters?
" different than my experiences.
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Alright Mr. Bond!--There Are Documents to Deliver!--(as of 2020-09-03)
by Atlantis inwell mr. bond!.
i see your staying..... .
on top of things!.
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Bobcat
Could you also PM them to me? Thank you Petra and Atlantis.
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November WT study article
by Gorbatchov inin one of the study articles from the november 2020 edition, is mentioned (free quotation):.
"don"t get disturbed if your kingdom hall will be sold".
food on the right time, i asume?.
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Bobcat
I saw that they worked the selling of KHs into the 2-part Nehemiah video in the convention. It was indirect, but it was there.
In the video there was a fictional thread where Jews were being 'selected' to move into Jerusalem (within the walls). The process of being selected was apparently random, and without asking the subject whether they wanted to or not. And the issue portrayed in the video was that if you were faithful you would make the move if you were 'selected.' Only unfaithful ones were shown to object to moving when they were told to.
It was a blatant take on the selling of KHs and being reassigned to another congregation, whether it was convenient or not.
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Worldwide Campaign Nov 2020
by Listener inthanks petra and atlantis for sending the latest letter regarding the watchtowers plan for a worldwide campaign in november this year.
i am wondering what they are planning to achieve from this campaign, particularly their focus on sending the watchtower 2020 no.
2, titled "what is god's kingdom" to politicians, governments (and tribal leaders) around the world.. it would appear that this is their answer to governments who have put them in the spot light for their bad policies, particularly their handling of child abuse.
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I was thinking there might be some unintended consequences of this campaign, in the USA at least.
At the moment there are problems with the post office because of who the current president put in charge of it. The mail is being slowed down as the country approaches a national election, one in which the current president needs the mail to slow down in order to invalidate a lot of votes that he figures will go against him.
Now add into this mix a WT campaign that floods the mail system with a lot of mail (similar as with Russia), and just at the wrong time for the election (November 2020). I could see how the WT/JWs afterwards could become an easy scapegoat for a messed up election (maybe similar to how Christians became a scapegoat for Nero in 64 AD when Rome burned).
I could see where WT might be inadvertently setting up a problem for themselves and the WT org.
At any rate, not to prophecy, but just trying to put 2 and 2 together. JWs have been pent up (preaching-wise). I could see where many of them would go after this campaign with a great amount of zeal, to the detriment of the postal system, just when the country is needing the post office to work efficiently. Leaving DJT the winner (of the election), and giving him an easy target to pin the blame on for any cries of a foul election.
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2020-08-14 Announcement! (as of 2020-08-15)
by Atlantis in2 documents.
2020-08-14 announcement.
one in english and one in german.. .
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Bobcat
Could you send them to me also please. Thank you!
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Elders Remove Excellent Speaker
by Vanderhoven7 ingreat talk interrupted.... https://youtu.be/hlgwyfhtihm.
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Bobcat
My guess would be that the problem comes up at about the 12:30 or so mark where the speaker begins pointing out that, Biblically speaking, problems within God's organization have gone all the way up to the top echelon of its human rulers.
To be sure, the speaker is being very accurate, and not at all being direct against the WT leadership. The elders who cut him off would have had to think that thru before deciding to end his talk. Maybe that is why it took a couple of minutes before they acted to stop the talk.
This is typical (from my experience) of how thought processes are interrupted in the KH to prevent or cut off any thoughts that might lead in a direction WT does not want you to go.
When you recognize it for what it is, it is more than a little despicable. Not at all different from how North Korea controls ones thinking processes. And any thoughts that might lean in a wrong direction are typically censored before they can actually get the main point.
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Slave class
by asp59 indo you think there is a group or individuals that have taken the role as slave class and fulfilled the requirement?
think they all failed miserable.
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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)
by BluesBrother init is a challenge next sunday for them .
due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).
this article makes a grand claim in par 2.
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@ TheOldHippee,
Regarding your question on page 5 of this thread, see my two comments here (just a little down from there).
The gist is that "and" (rather than "but") makes the verse a little more ambiguous. It is also out of character for the NWT (in most cases). Dan 11:20 ("but in a few days ...") and Dan 11:29 ("but not in anger ...") both use the same conjunction as in Dan 11:25 (wə·lō, see here) and the NWT dutifully renders it as "but." But not in Dan 11:25. And the original NWT came out when they were teaching an understanding that corresponds with "but." And it was only 37 years later (and after F Franz had passed) before they changed their understanding of the verse.
But see the comments I linked to just above regarding the 'mystery' of it (if you will). It is all rather curious.
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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)
by BluesBrother init is a challenge next sunday for them .
due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).
this article makes a grand claim in par 2.
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Thanks Jeffro, for setting me straight on that. I chose that top graphic because it had a similar design to the WT one and would make for a relatively easy comparison. Thanks for the link too.
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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)
by BluesBrother init is a challenge next sunday for them .
due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).
this article makes a grand claim in par 2.
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Bobcat
Here are two graphics showing the difference between the standard understanding of Daniel chapter 11 and the WT's understanding:
The historical fulfillment usually seen in commentaries:
The WT understanding as seen in the Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy book:
In the latest update, WT deletes Emperor Aurelius (King of North) & Queen Zenobia (King of South) on the line for Dan 11:25-26 and then moves everyone below that one line up. (If I don't have that correctly, please set me straight.)
Notice, for example, how in the WT explanation Seleucus IV and Antiochus IV are removed from Dan 11:20 & Dan 11:21-35 and lumped in the line Dan 11:13-19. The next two lines are explained as Roman emperors and then the explanation moves to modern times.
