Minimus, I mean no disrespect as I am only curious, but why would his not guilty plea be automatic? In other criminal cases I have seen defendants plead guilty and receive their sentencing by the judge right then and there. With this plea, he will no doubt be given a court appointed attorney since it is clear that he can not afford his own, and he will sit in jail for no doubt close to a year before he comes before a jury. Is it plausible that Hold already has legal counsel and has been advised to plea not guilty?
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Latest Cable News Updates on Killer Jonathan Holt And The Murdered Young Oregon Barista Whitney Heichel
by Scott77 in.
"...jonathan holt, 24, a neighbor of heichel and a member of the same jehovah's witness church, appeared via closed-circuit television in clackamas county court wearing a suicide smock..." read cable news report of full story complete with photographs.
very excellent investigation.. http://abcnews.go.com/us/murdered-barista-whitney-heichel-raped-shot-times/story?id=17534209#.ujvk-w-hk8b
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Latest Cable News Updates on Killer Jonathan Holt And The Murdered Young Oregon Barista Whitney Heichel
by Scott77 in.
"...jonathan holt, 24, a neighbor of heichel and a member of the same jehovah's witness church, appeared via closed-circuit television in clackamas county court wearing a suicide smock..." read cable news report of full story complete with photographs.
very excellent investigation.. http://abcnews.go.com/us/murdered-barista-whitney-heichel-raped-shot-times/story?id=17534209#.ujvk-w-hk8b
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Here is an excellent link with timeline of evidence:
This will be key:
"According to court documents, investigators believe Holt tried to clean Heichel's SUV up after he killed her. They found a Febreze bottle inside the SUV that only had a quarter of the liquid left. However, spots of blood were found throughout and a pool of blood and hair were found under the mats.
A fingerprint pulled from the Febreze bottled matched that of Holt, according to detectives."
It is also interesting that Holt confessed to the crime,there is substantial proof of his guilt, and he was still allowed to enter a not guilty plea.
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Star Wars Episode VII
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas init's happening!.
disney compra lucasfilm y fija 2015 para el estreno de 'star wars: episode vii'!.
http://www.elseptimoarte.net/bombazo-disney-compra-lucasfilm-y-fija-2015-para-el-estreno-de--star-wars-episode-vii--15973.html.
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You are all retarded. Jedi gave us the metal bikini.
End of story.
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Whitney Heichel - first hand account from congregation member on Facebook
by sir82 inwhy, he even has gone to some meetings at their kingdom hall!
someone calls with a large wedding tent that they would like to donate and set up in the kingdom hall parking lot for the public memorial on friday.
i was amazed how people who came that didnt even know whitney, but simply felt a need to be here and comfort the family.
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Everyone is reacting to the story given to and released by the police and media and the JWs. We will not know exactly what went on before, during, and after the murder until Holt goes through trial. Even then it could be some spin set forth by the defense. Holt will have a story and it will be 10 times more detailed than his statement to the police. There are a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle despite its appearance of a lock, stock, & barrel case with all evidence neatly in a row. Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds. The only absolute certainty? JWs will turn anything and everything into a blessing from Jehovah.
And apparently He allowed a murder to take place in His own house just so some literature could be placed and some bible studies started.
That makes as much sense as Holt going completely psycho for a blow job.
Something is rotten in Denmark. And Oregon.
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What Do you think? Is Natalie Plummer an Idiot? Woman Arrested For Warning Drivers Of Speed Trap
by Scott77 in.
http://autos.aol.com/article/woman-arrested-for-warning-drivers-of-speed-trap-with-makeshift/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020.
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On June 21, 2012 Natalie Plummer was arrested, right off the sidewalk, when she held an impromptu sign, made from a paper grocery sack, warning drivers of an oncoming "speed trap". After being handled aggressively and illegally searched. She was told that she was being charged with a felony that carried a sentence of an automatic 3-5 year prison sentence.
After, carelessly letting all of her belongings tumble down the street into oncoming traffic, out of the back of the officer's patrol car, the officer discovered this sign was not actually illegal. So, they created another fictional charge- "walking on a street where a sidewalk was provided", a misdemeanor offense. She was not told at the time her official charge or that her sign was not illegal. She was told she was getting "let off easy".
However, they threatened if she ever committed such an act again, there would be much worse consequences compared to anything she had experienced that day. She was then dangerously transported to jail without a seat belt until finally the officers acknowledged her comments and stopped on an entrance ramp to a freeway in the middle of rush hour (police stops of this manner have recently caused death of motorists IN HOUSTON).
Hours later in jail, when being booked. Natalie finally found out what her official charge was. She was advised to plead guilty to the charge so she could get out of jail quicker, otherwise she would have to stay much longer to await trial unless she could get a hold of some one to bail her out. Also, if she plead guilty upon release there would be no further actions. She stood by her innocence and pleaded "Not Guilty" to any charges, before guaranteeing her bail be posted.
Luckily, she was able to contact family and post bail and be released within approximately 12 hours of her original arrest.
After being released, Natalie started studying what the laws actually were. She then found out, this was a blatant violation of her First Amendment rights and furthermore her Fourth Amendment rights when here back pack was illegally searched.
When the Houston Police Department arrested Natalie Plummer they not only violated her rights, but used police intimidation to threaten any future use of those same rights. In doing so, they have threatened every single citizen's rights.The charges have been dropped!
by Natalie Plummer Petition Organizer Thank you everyone for signing my petition. When I got to court today the charges had already been dropped, all thanks to you guys for all of your support!
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Conti: WTS Motion re Appeal Bond - WTS Motion 10/26, Conti's Opposition 11/02, WTS Reply 11/06
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AnnoMaly stated:
The WTS argues that using Patterson as surety will benefit the Plaintiff because it is "more that adequate security for the prompt payment of the Amended Judgment" if she prevails on appeal, as well as relieving her of the liability of having to pay back the bond premiums if she doesn't
Then to clarify if it is Candace with liability to pay back the bond stated:
The WTS have to pay Travelers (not Candace!) a premium to secure/insure the bond. If the cash bond remains set at $17.2 million and the WTS wins the appeal and, let's say, the judgment is completely overturned, the $17.2 million reverts back to the WTS. But the WTS is still out of pocket to the tune of $86/170/200 thousand. They are entitled by law to recover the money they were forced to pay out in premiums to Travelers from the losing appellee/plaintiff.
Confusing to say the least. If Watchtower is paying Travelers, why would they be concerned about getting their money back if they win their appeal? Candace wont have access to the money, therefore she can't spend it. Why is Watchtower going through the trouble of substituting Patterson as a bond then the cash. It appears they are protected from losing the cash bond no matter what. Therefore what is the reason behind their motion? Are they trying to protect the interest on the cash bond they will lose if it is spent out?
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Whitney Heichel - AOL highlight topic opening page
by LV101 ininfo posted on aol's opening page's highlight section you click through on the left hand side w/photos.
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news reports started out saying Holt was an aquaintance of the Hiechels, then a member of their congregation, caretaker of their house when on vacation, then frequent assosciates, and now Holt was completely obsessed with Whitney.
there is way more to this story than we may ever know, but then again with the pattern in the press each day gives more pieces to the puzzle.
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Why Association With The Watchtower Religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is Dangerous?
by Scott77 in"...witnesses hear and read a great deal about the positives of being a witness at their meetings and literature.
the leadership makes sure they dont forget how fortunate they are to have the truth that no other religion has.
since i have been guaranteed the most important of the freedoms jws fought so hard for, freedom of expression, ill acquaint you with the harmful side of this organization and why i say they are now the oppressors..." http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/advocacy/dangerous-to-associate-with-jehovahs-witnesses.html .
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marking, thanks
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Attention Lurkers- Consider the effectiveness of your lifesaving work
by stuckinamovement inhypothetical scenario.
you are a city manager in a major metropolitan city with a population of 3,000,000.. .
if the governing body was truly convinced themselves of the impending disaster and the fact that the end is imminent would they not focus their efforts in spreading the message through effective means such as telephone, television, internet, social networks etc?
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My 12 year old asked me yesterday, "If JWs are the only ones that have the truth and everyone else is going to die, why is there only 7 million of them?
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A Couple Points about New Elders Child Abuse Letter Directions ...........
by flipper inin aragon's thread which has reached 6 pages a couple of points were touched on that i wanted to bring out but thought these points deserved a whole thread to dissect and discuss them.. first off : there seems to be a total hypocrisy , arrogance, or typical speaking out of both sides of their mouth when the wt instructions in the letter says :.
" the branch office, not the local body of elders, determines whether an individual who has sexually abused children in the past will be considered a ' predator ' .
then this quote from the 1997 wt instructions : " and the congregation cannot read hearts to tell who is and who is not liable to molest children again.
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In all cases of suspected and alleged sexual abuse, the Police should be called immediately. The state of California and many other states have set up stringent laws to enforce this practice of reporting and other states are working to catch up.
http://www.mandatedreporterca.com/faq/faq.htm
How many children are reported for abuse or neglect annually?
Nationally:
According to Child Maltreatment 2010, the most recent report of data from the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS), approximately 3.6 million reports of suspected abuse or neglect were filed.Of these, 20% of the reports were substantiated, meaning approximately 720,000 children were found to be victims of child abuse or neglect in 2009. Of this number, the data is broken down by the type of allegation:v 78 percent suffered neglect
v 18 percent were physically abused
v 10 percent were sexually abused
v 8 percent were emotionally or psychologically maltreated
v 2 percent were medically neglected
California:
According to the Child Welfare Dynamic Report System, the most recent report of data from the California Department of Social Services/University of California at Berkeley collaboration, (website http://cssr.berkeley.edu/ucb_childwelfare ), approximately 87,000 children were found to be substantiated victims of child abuse or neglect from July 2009 to June 2010.Of this number, the data is broken down by the type of allegation:v 62 percent suffered neglect
v 19 percent were physically abused
v 9 percent were sexually abused
v 10 percent were emotionally or psychologically maltreated
Why must you report?
The primary intent of the reporting law is to protect the child from abuse and neglect. However, a report of suspected child abuse or neglect may also present an opportunity to provide help for the family. Parents who are under stress may be unable to ask for help directly, and may not know where or how to access support/help. A report of suspected abuse or neglect may be the catalyst for bringing about change in the home environment, which in turn may help to lower the risk of abuse or neglect in the home.
How much proof do I need to provide that abuse or neglect has occurred?
No proof of abuse or neglect is needed, only “reasonable suspicion” that child abuse or neglect may have occurred. If you are at all concerned about the possibility of abuse or neglect, you should report. Investigations will be conducted by law enforcement and/or the county child welfare department to determine if abuse or neglect has occurred. Delayed reporting while awaiting further information may hinder investigation by the appropriate agencies.
Who are mandated reporters?
Though everyone should report child abuse, a number of professionals must report abuse or be held liable by law. The specific positions are listed in California Penal Code section 11165.7. Professions include but are not limited to:
A teacher
An instructional aide
A teacher’s aide or assistant at public or private school
An employee of public school
An administrative officer or supervisor of child welfare and attendance of any school
An administrator of day camp, public or private
An administrator or employee of a public or private youth center, youth recreation program, or youth organization
An administrator or employee of any organization whose duties require direct contact and supervision of children
Any employee of the state or county education system whose duties bring them into contact with children on a regular basis
A licensee, administrator, or employee of a licensed community care or child day care facility
A Head Start program teacher
A licensing worker or licensing evaluator
A public assistance worker
An employee of a child care institution including foster parents, group home personnel, and personnel of residential care facilities
A social worker, probation officer, or parole officer
An employee of a school district police or security department
Any person who works in a child abuse prevention program in any school
A district attorney investigator, inspector, or local child support agency caseworker
A peace officer
A firefighter (except volunteers)
A physician, surgeon, psychiatrist, psychologist, dentist, resident, intern, podiatrist, chiropractor, licensed nurse, dental hygienist, optometrist, marriage, family and child counselor, clinical social worker
Any EMT, paramedic, or other certified person
A psychological assistant
A marriage, family, and child therapist trainee
An unlicensed marriage, family, and child therapist intern
A state or county public health employee
A coroner
A medical examiner or anyone who performs autopsies
A commercial film and photo processor
A child visitation monitor
An animal control officer or humane society officer
A clergy member or religious practitioner
A custodian of records of a clergy member
Any employee of any police department, county sheriff’s department, county probation department, or county welfare department
An employee or volunteer of a Court Appointed Special Advocate program
An alcohol or drug counselor
