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  Not Religon...not Belief....Not Inerrancy: INTERPRETATION is christianity

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  what the bible "says" isn't religion or doctrine or belief.. interpretation is.. proved how?.

  there is not just one christian church.. ask yourself "why?".

  here is a logic puzzle easily solved!.

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  okage

  @stepkimb the analogy of the people in the water may hold true in other examples where perception dictates belief, but it doesn't hold to Terry's point. If the water is 60 degrees, then there is something to measure the truth against perception. In the instance of the bible, there is nothing to differentiate fact from perception or interpretation as is Terry's point.

  Given the task of only being allowed to use the bible to study the bible, people come up with differing understandings. So religions use supplementals to curb those differences to their own interpretation. Otherwise, you'd be hard pressed to find a group who read ONLY the bible and came to the exact conclusions without any suggestions by an outside source.

  Using your analogy, they all have different perceptions of what the water is. Lets say one of them thinks the water is too cold and goes around telling the others the water is 40 degrees. Then she tells them why she firmly believes it's that cold and gives people experience after experience why she can recognize it as being 40 degrees. Now others believe it's 40 degrees, despite their own perception.

  Because of outside influences they perceive the water as being 40 degrees, even though the thermometer in the pool says 60.

  This is the basics of Christianity. Except there has never been a thermometer available, only a person who tells everyone the water is too cold. The lack of a thermometer invalidates your argument and supports everyone else's who posted on this thread.
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  Politics ... remember what I said?

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we are not going to have a political propaganda copy-and-paste-fest on this site.. we're also not going to have inflamatory insults posted targeting either side.. please take the hint ....

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  might me a fancy idea to lock out the political section of the forum. not alot of canadian or uk politics discussed and the us politics will always be a heated debate as long as there is a black guy sitting in power.

  if the gun isnt there then no one can shoot it so to speak.
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  A sure sign the End is Near....

  by King Solomon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the end of the month, that is, and someone apparently needs to get their hours in.... this resourceful jw (in the left side of the photo) set up shop for a few hours outside a local starbucks, with a wt and awake laid out on a table.

  and i i don't think he talked to anyone the whole time he was out there (a few hours).. sure beats all that walking from door-to-door, which would likely result in a bunch of not-at-homes on a weekday: most people are at work.. (i approached him when entering, and asked him about the parable of faithful and "discreet" slave, and asked him what he thought the difference was between a parable and prophecy.

  after getting a non-answer (that basically meant he didn't know), i wished him a good morning and went on my way.... .

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  okage

  hilarious. in all definitions of the word.
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  FACTS can be very pesky things. What side do you come down on?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

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  its insane how the cult mind works. anything they dont want to hear is immediately dismissed as a lie. what would happen to a person who only ever heard what they wanted to hear...
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  Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah! Piss! He's gone!

  by okage in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  inspired by a recent post on jehovah's witnesses kooky urban legends, a question comes to mind.. jehovah's witnesses can talk to a killer and he won't do anything with that angel guarding them.

  a demon can be cast out by calling out for jehovah.

  in a yearbook, a man's talking snake is silenced by the mere presence of a witness.. so why are there pedophiles roaming free in kingdom halls?.

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  Inspired by a recent post on Jehovah's Witnesses kooky urban legends, a question comes to mind.

  Jehovah's Witnesses can talk to a killer and he won't do anything with that angel guarding them. A demon can be cast out by calling out for Jehovah. In a yearbook, a man's talking snake is silenced by the mere presence of a Witness.

  So why are there pedophiles roaming free in Kingdom Halls?

  If an angel can intimidate a murderer (sadistic murderer was the phrase used) into not harming a couple of J Dub Door Knockers, where are these angels when a child rapist is about to harm a child in "the tuth?" Guess you have to be baptized to get an angel. Oh wait! Most ARE baptized by the time Brother Slippy Fist makes a move. Perhaps the pedophiles are braver than demons and the Big Bad Satan around angels. I wonder what they know about angels that we don't?

  Many pedophiles in the Society are baptized, yet the presence of Jehovah's people does nothing to silence Satan in them. If a lone J Dub can silence Satan in a snake, why can't a congregation of Witnesses, a convention of Witnesses, silence Satan in the heart of a child rapist?

  If shouting Jehovah's name can get a demon to flee, why has it not worked on the 23,000 demons calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses? You know that at least some of their victims cried out for Jehovah while being molested. So how come it works with teddy bears and YuGiOh cards, but not pedophiles?

  This is serious, people. A hole in logic like this might make people think these stories (like the snake whisperer told and published as fact by the WTS) are just blatant lies used to embellish the power and authority given to the Organization by Jehovah.

  And it terrifies me that it might go so far as to suggest Satan isn't talking to anyone, and that people are responsible for their own actions. Can you imagine the chaos of holding people and not invisible characters accountable for their deeds?!
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  The effects and repercussions of a cyber attack on WTBTS

  by Soldier77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is pure speculation on my part and i hope to get some others to join in sharing their thoughts on this topic.. with the recent push by "mother" to rely heavily on their site jw.org, correspondance to elder bodies, publication downloads, library access, imagine the impact an attack to their site could produce to the organization.. here we have the gb jumping on the bandwagon, late as usual, but still trying to grasp the internet, and saying that it's "okay" to use the internet, and when you do, please go to our site.

  so you have a lot of people that may have been die hard, anti-internet because it's from the devil, now saying, okay, lets get a computer, get internet service and hop online..... that's where all hell breaks loose.

  they log on the great world wide web and type in the "officially backed" website.... and bam!

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  okage

  written in wt style. i nominate... ah hell. i forgot his name. i believe sd was his name. he tends to be really good at mimicking their style.
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  Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses is NOT the same as the doctrines leaving you

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you grow up speaking english and you move to mexico you don't automatically speak spanish, know customs, understand currency, possess skills.

  for self-support or have any special insight into latino mindset.. .

  why would you expect leaving jehovah's witnesses would leave you any less ill-equipped to navigate the real world?.

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  okage

  the analogy of moving and learning spanish is powerful and accurate. there are those who still choose not to learn the language despite years of living among the new culture. and there are those who feel they have learned enough by just learning the basics.

  the watchtower doctrines are blood that just wont wash off the shirt no matter how hard you scrub. i think its a tremendous effort to remove them and as illustrated its not enough to say you are done with them. many are reluctant to admit they have a ways to go but they shouldnt be reluctant. they should be proud of what they have achieved so far and be hungry to achieve more.

  and it is an awful aspect that the society tells you youre never done working for salvation and when you look for salvation from watchtower tyranny you never know when youre done working for it.

  the organization puts such a stranglehold on every facet of your life that its harder to operate at a capacity considered comfortable by others.

  personally i hope anonymous follows through on their promise to take down the society by purging files and publishing secrets. no organization should have that much of a hold on the lives of free men and women like the society does.
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  Anonymous Message to Watchtower

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.

  hello citizens of the world.

  we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.

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  okage

  to the guy above my post...anonymous hacked and published syrian government files. much harsher than a ddos.

  i contacted anon asking them to look for the fabled pedo list and to publish it if its found. so we know im not just pulling legs

  ask elder elite

  ask anony mous

  i tried enlisting them for resources. and no. their hands are still clean on this one. but they can vouche for the timeliness of my cause.

  and no. i am not anonymous. i can build hardware easy but i am crap for software and net mapping.
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  Anonymous Message to Watchtower

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.

  hello citizens of the world.

  we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.

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  okage

  this post made my day. i started a thread earlier this week announcing i would contact various partners in anonymous. i did. i got a few nibbles on my hook but ultimately thought it wouldnt amount to anything.

  glad to see it got something sparked.
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  What we're all thinking but haven't said regarding the Conti Verdict

  by okage in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you live comfortably, though you are never certain what the future will bring.

  you go to work at a business that has become the only thing you really know anymore.

  you pull a schedule of forty to eighty hours a week.

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  but they will still know it happened. they want to play dumb they can go down with the ship.