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  Dumb Counsel

  by WildTurkey in

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  what was the dumbest counsel you ever received?

  once an elder was at my house and saw the video beauty and the beast, he said you should throw that away, because it promotes bestiality.

  he got upset with me, because i just could not stop laughing.

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  dedalus, please tell me that the CO was JACK DANLEY (a.k.a. Jack Daniel's). That sounds so much like a JACK DANLEY story. (When I knew JD in the late 80s he was CO in Ontario, Greater Toronto Area (GTA).

  My Dumbest Counsel was actually a blessing in disguise. It stumbled me so much it started me on the long slow journey of exit from the B-Org.

  It was the first week in September, 1989. I had been married to my (now ex) wife for exactly 4 months, which was also the length of time we had been attending that KH. Our meeting attendance and field service had been reasonable, considering we were newlyweds and this was our first summer together.

  So this elder comes over for a "shepherding call", with younger Elder in tow. After about 30 mintues of the usual tripe (encourage to go to meetings, encourage to get more time in field service, etc.). He was just about to wrap things up then adds "one more thing. It has come to my attention that you are holding hands during the meeting and during the songs. You shouldn't do that because it might stumble some unmarried ones into thinking that they should be married and/or cause jealousy.

  The look of surprise I saw on my wife and the younger elder was, I'm sure, also visible on my own face.

  It took a few days to sink in, but it made me angry to think that this guy could even suggest that simply holding hands (we were newlyweds, remember!) was something bad and could stumble others. Of course, he used the scripture about "if your right hand stumbles your brother, cut it off".

  Years later I wanted to ask him if he ever considered the thought that "if your lousy counsel stumbles your brother, then shut up!".

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  Anyone heard this? News!

  by Dogpatch in

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  i reeceived an email today that said:.

  we visited my parents in fl last weekend, and though they're still .

  technically witnesses, they consider themselves double agents.

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  Well, I'll consider any news with an open mind! I hope this story is validated, as it would demonstrate a huge step in downsizing of the B-Org.

  However, this sounds a little unlikely. Like it or not, the free-labour powered WT printing house is low cost. Furthermore, they already have the printing presses in house, perhaps with bank loans, or perhaps paid for free-and-clear).

  Why get rid of them?

  Outsourcing makes sense to large corporations when internal costs for certain (non-core) operations are far in excess of the costs incurred by specialists in that type of operation. Only then does it make sense to give the job to a third party. But printing is a core operation for the WT, and they do it far cheaper than any commercial house. I just can't see this making good business sense. And we are talking about a business, after all.

  Thought: from the spy books I've read, sometimes you find a mole by feeding different pieces of misinformation through different channels. Maybe this story is part of a large "Apostate (mole) hunt"?

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  JWS IN FIELD SERICE IN PORTLAND OR. TODAY

  by new boy in

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  i'm sure everone is looking forward to the feild ministry today!!!

  all the young kids and teenagers just cant't wait to see their school chums in the door to door activity.

  my guess it will be very little door to door today, for the brave ones that go out.

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  From New Boy:
  

  Fred-------------- you lazy J.W. you need to get your sorry ass in that mini-van with everone else, instead of counting your service time here!

  LOL!

  So Fredhall (or whatever other name your psychotic personality is using today)...

  Do you count your time here in your Field Service reports?

  DO YOU????

  And when you do, are you brave enough to tell the elders that all those impressive hours were spent sitting at a computer conversing with (as you call us) "Apostates"????

  Something tells me that your don't even have the balls to go out knocking on doors, and this is the only way you can pretend to fill your hours with. At least many (perhamps most? all?) of the (again, to use your label of convenience) "Apostates" were at one time legitimately knocking on doors and facing the opposition directly. But a coward like you probably prefers to hand out meaningless one-liners while hidden behind an anonymous on-line identity.

  I hope I'm wrong, I hope you do go out in Field Service. I would like to know which city, so I can go there and see how pathetic you are at people's doors, responding to their intelligent questions with useless, out-of-context, one-liners. (LOL at the thought of your pathetic social skills when door knocking).

  With friends like you, the Watchtower doesn't need enemies. You just may be the biggest "Apostate" the Jehovah's Witnesses have ever had.

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  I'm screwed..........

  by butalbee in

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  i went w/ my ex to the hall tonight, don't remember much except walking in, hiding in the bathroom for half hour, and dodging all the schmoozing when trying to exit the building.

  i also remember my ex holding my hand and smiling at me.

  it was a happy smile, like "i am so glad you're here w/ me", but it hinted of evil intentions.

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  MavMan spewed a question:
  

  Interesting comments all, isn't this brainwashing?

  Answer: NO. Seeking advice from one's peer group is not brainwashing. If you knew more about brainwashing and cults than just the two paragraphs in the "Reasoning From the Scriptures" book, you would know this.

  If your question was sincere (which I totally doubt), then go out and find the answers. I can recommend several good books on the topic (that aren't apostate because they aren't specifically anti-JW and weren't written by former JWs).

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  Need help looking for Article!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by JT in

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  i left my cdrom at work and i need to find the article-.

  "are you an open minded person".

  something to that affect.

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  BTW I have used these articles to expand the "Verify Your Religion" section of our WT Quotes website:
  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/verify.htm

  The above linked page is rather interesting when compared to the "Don't Verify Your Religion" material:
  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/verify_not.htm

  Thanks for the thread. More good info "gleaned."

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  I'm screwed..........

  by butalbee in

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  2. relationships

  i went w/ my ex to the hall tonight, don't remember much except walking in, hiding in the bathroom for half hour, and dodging all the schmoozing when trying to exit the building.

  i also remember my ex holding my hand and smiling at me.

  it was a happy smile, like "i am so glad you're here w/ me", but it hinted of evil intentions.

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  NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  OK, you like this guy, you haven't gotten over him.

  Question: have you started seeing anyone else? I think in an earlier post you said yes. Perhaps you haven't met the right guy yet.

  Please don't confuse:
  -the inability to find a compatible match after a short time dating

  with

  -possibility that the "ex" is the only one for you

  There are what, 150 million American men out there? Even taking broad strokes to remove the "undatable" from the possible choices for you, you are still left with *MILLIONS* of possible mates. Chances are there are *TENS OF THOUSANDS* of great matches for you out there. Now get out there and find one (or maybe a few, nudge nudge, wink wink) that isn't wrapped up in a dangerous mind-control cult!

  OK, if you are still stuck on this guy, even after considering the thousands of other options, the only other possibility is to get him out so that you can truly be with him and not have to *SHARE HIM WITH A BUNCH OF OLD MEN IN BROOKLYN*.

  Can you say to him:

  "I really like you, I want to be with you. But I truly believe that you are in danger. I am saying this out of love. Just as you would try to help and rescue me if I was involved with the Moonies, or the Scientologists, or the Branch Davidians in Waco Texas, or the Heaven's Gate, I am trying to help you avoid danger, danger you are not even aware of."

  "You are in a prison of the worst kind: a prison of your own mind. And the only way to get you out is to talk about it. I want to have a weekly study with you, and only you -- no one else. And I don't want to read a Watchtower book, I don't want you to teach me. Rather, I want to teach you."

  Show him quotes printed by The Society: http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com/ . When he gives the "old light" defense, ask him "Was this spiritual food from Jehovah?" or "Would you want to eat a meal that was only a little bit poison?"

  If he listens, then you may have a beautiful future outside the BOrganziation. But if he does not listen, then you will remember why you left both him and the BOrganization.

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  Hey, I'm new here

  by Disposable Hero in

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  i have frequented this site quite a bit, but i now have finally joined.

  since i seen many other people's posts i will tell.

  i grew up with my mother in the "truth" but my father was not.

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  Welcome Disposable Hero.

  Congratulations on your exit and your hard work through what was a difficult challenge -- just ask anyone here.

  Again, welcome.

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  Apostfest Toronto 2002 EH!

  by Beans in

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  yes brothers and sisters i am setting a date saturday may 4th 2002. i would like some feedback from our locals as to where we should meet as some have met before.

  i believe downtown seems to be a good spot, let me know.. beans, [email protected].

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  My venue suggestion: the party room in my condo bldg. -- that way I can drink all I want without worrying about getting home safely.

  OK, that is pretty selfish.

  How about checking the locations of Kingdom Halls, and then choose a suitable venue in close proximity. That way the front door of the KH is readily availalbe to assist with "voiding of the bladder". DGM can give us tips on this technique.

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  What happened To The Plane At The Pentegon?

  by Guest 77 in

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  please check it out.. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm.

  if someone can make it easier to click into the site, please do so.. .

  guest 77

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  *sigh*

  Is it possible that people at this board, who in previous stages of their life, were willing to beleive a load of crap from the WTB&TS, no matter how ridiculous, continue to have that same problem?

  Come on... if you believe "there was no plane" then you may also still beleive that "SATAN IS PERSECUTING JWs"

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  The Three Amigos,Welcome "dgm"

  by Beans in

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  2. experiences

  yes brothers and sisters we are all here together.

  the final member of my apostate team has joined the board "dgm" !!!

  together myself quotes and dgm grew up together at the same hall from the age of 4 or 5 years.

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  Dear Bro. DGM,

  This letter is with reference to previous correspondence and contacts beginning March 21, 2002.

  We understand that you were unable to attend on the two dates set previously. However, you did undertake to get back to Bro. Beans with a more convenient date. As we have not heard from you up to this time, we intend to meet and hear the witnesses on Monday April 8th at 7.00 pm at the same venue.

  It would be helpful to us and beneficial to you to attend.

  Your Brother,
  In behalf of the Congregation,

  Quotes.

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