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  OMG!!! YOU MUST READ THIS!!!! My appeal letter worked!!!

  by kwintestal in

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  2. friends

  for those not up-to-date on my situation ... .

  i was disfellowshipped and i posted about it here.. i wrote an appeal letter, and wrote about it here.

  so, i just got home from a weeks vacation, i was home for 3 hours.

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  Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
  Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
  Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.
  Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling!
  Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos.
  Winston:The dead rising from the grave!
  Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!
  
  Quotes: Elders realizing they didn't follow proper procedures, as provided by the ever-loving Watch Tower Society, recognizing they made a mistake, and reversing the judgement of their kangaroo court.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "don't cross the streams" class
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  Oooo, now I'm a Satan worshipper - Care to respond to Dad's latest attack?

  by Ingenuous in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm not going to answer this email from my dad.

  he didn't listen the umpteen times i responded to his questions before - i'm not putting myself through that again.

  i too thought about these things.

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  OK, I can't get past Thought 3 w/o puking, so here are my pre-puke thoughts:
  
  Thought 1:
  
  Your father incorrectly blames *YOU* for the potential break in your relationship; if you would like to maintain the relation, but he is breaking it off, then you could/should very well turn it around on him, and has *HIM*: "There must be a powerful influence at work for you to be ready to cut off ties with daughter...What [cult] are you pursuing that makes that kind of result worthwhile?"
  
  As for the police officer comment, well, it is quite simply a FALSE ANALOGY (a common logical error).
  
  Thought 2:
  
  Funny, but your dad is describing very well the humble origins of JWs (aka Bible Students). Russell printed that any bible student is free to believe or not believe as he sees fit:
  
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  *** Watchtower April 1, 1920, pp.100, 101 ***
  
  We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience.
  ===============
  
  So you dad is, unwittingly, condemning his own religion, at least as it used to be (but obviously not anymore). Based on his own comments, I guess that means his faith is built on a basis of false religion.
  
  Thought 3:
  
  This is another error in logic. I don't know the proper name for it, but I call it the "Can't Get Off the Merry-Go-Round" fallacy. It goes like this: Judge all other groups by the requirements set forth by JWs. Since no other group does/believes same as JWs, this proves the other groups are all false religion.
  
  I have found those making this argument have trouble seeing the flaw; I guess because they are stuck onthe Merry-Go-Round. One way to help is to point out it could just as easily prove that Catholicism (or any other religion) is true, to wit:
  
  "How do they feel about Virgin Mary, Mother Of God? Do they partake in the Eucharist? Do they have confession? NO????? Well then, obviously they are not a true religion. Stay with the Holy Cathoic Church, the others simply don't know the truth."
  
  In other words: saying "JWs are THE true religion because no other religion believes what JWs believe" is just stupid.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Logic" class
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  Update to my meeting with an elder

  by Goldminer in

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  first of all,sorry for being so late with my update.my wife got up at 8 am this morning so i didn't have the opportunity to be alone for a while.. as for the meeting last night,the elder was very civil,actually commended me for writing my questions down.he never made threaths,asked me if i read apostate material or if i still considered myself a jw.. we started with the 607 question.he will not believe any research beyond the wt's but said he'd do more research on it(all wt) so i guess that will go no where.he believes that ctr got it right by using the bible so i told him if it was figured out 130 years ago,it should be very simple to explain today.the only time he looked stunned was when i showed him from the wt that they once believed that jesus' presence began in 1874.he said he had never read that and tried to walk around it even when i asked him if jehovah wanted his people to believe something that wasn't true.. we beat around a few other questions with nothing concrete coming out of it.he did take my list home with him and said he'd look at them more carefully to get some scriptural answers.i also got the feeling that my wife got a spiritual boost from his visit which was very disheartening to me.anyways,i'm going to work on this 607 thing and see how things go.my wife asked me if i felt like we got somewhere and i said no.beibg told that something is the truth just because the wt says so just doesn't convince me anymore.. i'm attaching my questions,hopefully they show up here.thanks everybody,i feel really down,like i'm wasting my time.i've been wanting to run from this religion for years and here i am still fighting to prove my points.. goldminer.

  p.s.-question files won't load-sorry.

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  A summary of Alleymom's K.I.S.S. analysis is available here:
  
  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/607bce-table.htm
  
  This is just a summary table showing the results when using Watchtower's published history. For the supporting Watchtower quotes, see http://quotes.watchtower.ca/607bce.htm
  
  ~Quotes
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  Not DA'd, Not DF'd - but pretty much Disowned...

  by Ingenuous in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just came from what will probably be the last conversation i'll ever have with my father.

  earlier in the day, i'd talked to my mom and she asked what i was up to - translated "what are you doing with yourself since you aren't going to meetings or out in service?

  " i told her i'd been discussing the bible with an informal group of people and reading older wts literature.

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  Discussing the bible with non-JWs is not allowed?
  
  

  I guess that means an end to the Door-to-door and bible study arrangement! Thanks Dad!

  
  
  Seriously Ing, I hope you are doing well. This is an emotionally difficult time; especially so when, as you can plainly see, it is all so unnecessary.
  
  ~Quotes
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  "Only Jehovah's Witnesses"

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i ran a search on my wt cd for the phrase "only jehovah's witnesses".

  there were dozens of results, these are some of the more .

  watchtower.

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  This is an excellent quote collection.
  
  I have created a new page for it at the WTS Quotes web site: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/only_jehovahs_witnesses.htm
  
  Thanks, Nic! Good Work!
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  C.S. Lewis statement....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lewis says jesus' claim to be equal with deity leaves us only one other choice: .

  a man who was merely a man and said the sort of things jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.

  he would either be a lunatic on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg or else he would be the devil of hell.

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  Tarnished One said:
  
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  A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice.
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  If you (and C.S.Lewis) are forcing me to choose a false dichotomy, I will have to go with: "lunatic". I don't believe in Hell Devils, so the only choice for me is "lunatic".
  
  BTW, I too enjoyed "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" which my third grade teacher read aloud to the class when I was about 7 or 8. I only just found out, thirty years later, that this story is a huge allegory of the Biblical Christ story (the Lion is Christ, gets resurrected; the Witch is the devil, children become kings and co-rulers of the Kingdom, etc etc.) Man, do I feel silly! I now wonder if this was my teacher's way of slipping religion into a secular classroom.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Narnia" class
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  Called the information desk again about the UN

  by skyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have called many times in the past.

  this time i was calling for a sister that wanted to know the truth from the society.

  the brother from the information desk said they did join but realy they were tricked.

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  In Other News, this from Surreal County...

  
  
  A child came home and discovered her mother having intercourse but the man was not the child's father. The man, named "John", appeared to pay $200 to the child's mother before he left.
  
  When the traumatized child asked the mother, "How could you have sex with that man? Why did he pay you? How could you prostitute yourself, after all the morals you taught me?"
  
  The mother replied, "Oh, I was tricked. That man *TRICKED* me into having sex with him for money. He is a plumber, and we needed his skills and knowledge to help fix the slow drain in kitchen. But he made me sign some papers before he would start work, and the next thing you know, we're bumping uglies. I was tricked.... for the last nine hours, I was tricked. It's a good thing you came home when you did! You helped to end this terrible trick!
  
  Faith restored in mother, the child happily replied, "Oh, OK."
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  The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S)

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  check some of this out and you may see why there are two sides to the issues that are portrayed as so one sided here.

  you will immediately smell the b.s.

  emanating from the skeptic's book of bible stories!

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  EvilForce, you reminded me of something.
  
  Shinging One:
  
  "I submit that we are both atheist, I simply believe in one fewer god than you. When you can understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
  Stephen F. Frost
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  Quantum information can be negative -- Possible to know less than nothing

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://www.physorg.com/news5621.html

  august 04, 2005 .

  quantum information can be negativeeven the most ignorant cannot know less than nothing.

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  I didn't need Quantum theory to tell me this, I already knew it from experience.
  
  Every time I read something printed by Watch Tower Society, I am dumber as a result. WTS prints "negative information" every day, by the truckload.
  
  For example: GRAVITATION AND ELECTRIC ENERGY (warning, you will be dumber as a result of reading this!!)
  
  ~Quotes, of the "had to say it" class
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  Did I call on you?

  by ackack in

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  2. friends

  when i was a dub, i called on someone who identified themselves as an "apostate".

  it was on barrington, in toronto canada.

  at any rate, if it was you, let me know.

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  I'm in Toronto, but I don't think you called on me.
  
  Someone else is currently calling on me, but they don't know I'm a former member... heh heh heh...
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Toronto" class