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  WT Cult Evolution Over Last 10 Years

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he thought long and hard before he said he didn't think so, but he did think they were a high control group.

  now those of you who know alan are aware that he knows more about the wt religion than everyone in bethel (including the gb) put together.

  that was ten years ago, but look what has happened since.. about 8 years ago alanf was making a business trip to new york city and he asked me if i wanted a copy of the wt cd rom.

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  WTS's relationship with the Rank&File reminds me of a broken relationship, where the one partner (i.e the R&F) is falling out of love, and the other partner (i.e. WTS) is increasingly obsessed, paranoid, even stalking; getting creepier and creepier all the time -- and in so doing, further accelerating the exit of unhappy partner.
  
  From law suits over alleged copyright violations (*ahem*), to further restricted information (ie special Wichpower mags not intened for public consumption), the WTS is becoming more like Scientology every year.
  
  Now, all they need is a couple of crazy celebrities, preferably some that will jump on Oprah's couch; then the transformation will be complete.
  
  Oh, wait. They already have Prince and Michael Jackson. Now we just have to get the reclusive Prince to appear on Oprah, and the final piece of the puzzle will fall into place!
  
  ~Q
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  Revelation - It's Grand Climax Adjusted

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  having received a copy of the new watchtower library cd, i decided to do a comparison of what actually changed with the updated revelation book.

  i was expecting some significant changes with some 'new light' for the 'trumpet blasts' or other 'important' stuff, but in all, i thought the changes were mostly quite mundane, though some seem a little crafty for different reasons.

  any thoughts.... throughout.

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  These changes are at once clever and diabolical. It is amazing how, in some cases, just a "subtle" word change will allow for a fundamental shift in dogma. Can we assume that these changes will NOT be carefully discolsed and announced, but rather will be allowed to slip by, unnoticed?
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  Didnt want it controling me so I quit.

  by IP_SEC in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i came to realize smoking had me under control.

  i didnt have it under control.

  i dont like being told what to do especially by inanimate objects.

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  IP_SEC: CONGRATS! Nathan: you must first accept that your toaster is the Evil Slave. You should only listen to your microwave, since it is the most power-efficient kitchen appliance it obviously must be divine!
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  My dad just came out... as one of the annointed

  by Pwned in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know i don't post here that often but this just kind of blew me away.

  my dad just "came out" recently as annointed and i find it so weird.

  he's always been pretty level headed and he's been in for over 30 years.

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  Blondie, et al,
  
  Did this "new light" include the idea that there would be more than 144,000 Annointed? Becuase their numbers were too many even before; a new flood of partakers will make the math even more ludicrous.
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  The Society is Upset: R&F Not Following the Recommended Lodging List

  by SirNose586 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an elder read a letter last night, and i practically giggled through the whole thing.

  his poorly manufactured gravitas was most amusing, given the ludicrous content of the letter.. it seems the society is pissed that the friends aren't choosing the "recommended lodging" when going to conventions.

  i remembered two important details about the letter.

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  If you have ever tried to hold a block of rooms, the way the Witchpower Babble and Trick Society does, you will likely already know the following:
  
  - The "special" room rate is likely no better than any discount that hotel affinity card holders get, or AAA members get, or certain card carrying professionals get, therefore there is ZERO financial incentive for most JWs to stay only at approved hotels.
  
  - a non-idiot hotel manager won't commit more than a certain percentage to reserving for a convention, since there is always the possibility of the convention getting cancelled and then the hotel is empty for half a week, so they cover their bets by keeping the block no more than a certain percentage of their total capacity. So the nice hotels, and close hotels, fill up very quickly becuase there are very few rooms put aside and because the tiny block of rooms has already been consumed by bethel insiders and selfish elder rule-breakers.
  
  - hotels makes lots of money on conference room services (you know: the huge conference rooms and the catered meals with the rubber salad and hockey puck Lasagne); but the Witchpower conventions are not actually at any of the approved hotels. So there is no economic reason for a hotel to give a cheap room rate to JWs, since they won't make back the discount in other higher-margin (i.e. $$$) items. If the room rate as not great, and if a JW can get a better rate, at a better hotel, because they are a "AAA" member, they of course they will go with "AAA" approved hotel, not the Witchpower approved hotel.
  
  - most hotels will reward a free room or two to the event organizers, if and only if the reserved block is fully booked. So it is in Witchpower's interest to keep the reserved block small enough to guarantee it is fully booked, to ensure that Bethel elite get to stay GRATIS in the presidential suite.
  
  The last point is the REAL reason Witchpower makes such a big deal about the "approved" hotel nonsense. They have to keep the Bethel Insiders in the nicest rooms, for free. (Aside: It must be nice to take a Vow of Poverty, but then live like very wealthy person). Oh, that, plus a juvenile, Eric Cartman "you will respect my authority" attitude which betrays a lack of inner confidence. Yes Witchpower, I'm talking to you.
  
  ~Q
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  Dubs and doorbells -- has there been some "new light"?

  by parakeet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this afternoon my husband looked out the window and saw two unmistakable dubs shuffling up our street.

  he didn't have time to warn me before they came to our door (he knows i get a bit testy whenever they visit).

  i was in a nearby room, but heard nothing, saw nothing.

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  According to other posts here at JWD a few years ago, many admitted to "pretending to knock" or "knocking as softly as possible" when out proselytizing. (I was shocked to hear about it, but many admitted to it.)
  
  Maybe you got a couple of timid pretend door knockers? Just a guess.
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  Videos I took of Chemtrails over my city

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zua0zw9cg.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37tpog-beo.

  sunday of last week started off as a clear day.

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  Wow. Let me just make sure I fully understand what you you are proposing here.
  
  You *actually* believe that a grand conspiracy is afoot?
  
  That the airlines -- the same organizations that are unable to get my luggage to accompany me (same day) from Toronto to Palm Springs -- are competent enough to execute this grand scheme?
  
  You *actually* believe that the thousands -- no, make that tens of thousands -- of pilots, mechanics, flight engineers, air traffic controllers, chemical company order desk clerks, chemical company shipping department clerks, truckers and couriers, delivery personnel, etc. -- that they *ALL* "keep their mouth shut" and are "part of the conspiracy"? Keeping in mind that if true, this chemical would affect them and their families too???
  
  You actually believe that no young, modern day Woodward or Bernstein would like to become and instant news hero and cement his/her journalistic career by exposing this illegal action with some evidence?
  
  You actually believe that, in a world where exactly two people conspired to keep secret a sexual encounter within the walls of the white house, but were unsuccessful in keeping that secret -- that in this world, a grand conspiracy and cover up seems like a reasonable and easy to believe thing?
  
  You actually believe in a conspiracy which (a) kills or threatens to kill people who talk about it (like the mechanic in the unverifiable story of alleged discovery) and, simultaneously, (b) does *NOTHING* about the hundreds, or thousands of people, YouTube posters, bloggers, etc. -- including you -- that claim to be uncovering this very same conspiracy?
  
  Have I missed anything?
  
  ~Q
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  Feb 2008 Watchtower Lists 2007 Publisher Count-Big Increase?????

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

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  6,957,852 2007 publishers page 16.

  6,491,775 2006 average publishers .

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  How can they know the 2007 results before the end of 2007?
  
  Is this a PRO FORMA count? Did the Enron accountants go to work at Witch Power Babble and Trick Society?
  
  ~Q
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  Witnessing to a Witness

  by yuxist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello i found this site while researching jws.

  my motive is simply to reach out to those in the organization.

  not by going after them but rather responding to them when they show up at my door.

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  yuxist, here are some of my experiences talking to JWs, as previously posted on this discussion board. Unfortunately, I don't go into detail, as when I wrote this I assumed that the reader would already be familiar with the doctrinal and organizational problems with the Watch Tower Society. I suggest doing a Google to reveal info on topics mentioned but not fleshed out.
  
  Knock at my door:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/95295/1.ashx
  
  2nd knock at my door:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/98033/1.ashx
  
  Be calm and assertive. Be polite -- it could be my mother you are talking to. Have fun.
  
  ~Q
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  Gravitation And Electric Energy, why published in The Golden Age?

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  gravitation and electric energy*** the golden age 1932 august 17, pp.707-710 ***gravitation and electric energyby c. f. stewart.

  it is outside earth's orbit between first and third quarter moons.

  it is right in front of the earth at third quarter.

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  My hypothesis, which I admit is not as involved as Leolaia's, goes like this:
  
  Golden Age / Watchtower were, at that time, hawking quack pseudo-medical devices that used electric fields. A magical world view that gives electro-magnetic fields magical curative properties would only be further strengthened by the "knowledge" that EM fields are what holds the Solar System together. Replacing gravity would just be another magical thing about EM that would make the the quack medical devices seem more plausible and more efficacious in the bizarre fallacious illogic of the believer.
  
  "EM fields are strong. They hold you down to the earth. They hold the planets in orbit. Imagine what they can do for your aching back!!! Order the Super-Duper-Radio-Pooper on page 27 today!!!"
  
  This is just my hypothesis. Alas, like the UN library card, we may never know the REAL reason why they did something so stupid.
  
  ~Q