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  help, i need info for trial

  by needs_lots in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i need to know where abouts in the jw books does it say that you must obey your elders, and that if you don't listen, you can be disfellowshipped.

  at the trial on friday, the head of bethel said that no one in the organization could be disfellowshipped for not following elders commands.

  i know its written somewhere, and i have only today and tomorrow to find it.

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  I just thought of something else about this: I shall call it THE POLICEMAN ANALOGY.

  The elder's are the self-proclaimed and de-facto policemen of the congregation. (Actually, they are also the Crown Attorney and the Justice, but I digress).

  Imagine a situation where a uniformed policeman tells a young woman "come with me down to the station, we are interrogating a criminal and you need to confront him".

  Later, when the dim-witted cop gets in trouble for causing so much grief to the young woman he ordered to go to the confrontation, he claims in court "she came downtown of her own free will. I didn't force her."

  Surely the court would recognize that a uniformed police officer would not be able to make such a ridiculous claim post hoc. Surely the justice would roll her eyes if presented with such a weak defence.

  Yet this describes exactly what we have here. The established person(s) in authority, carrying the full weight of the (religious) law, ordered young Vic to go to the confrontational meeting, but are now trying to say the meeting was optional and Vic was not forced to go.

  Sorry, I don't think the judge would buy that story from a cop, and I hope she will see the analogy and not buy it from "Tweedle-Dee" and "Tweedle-Dum".

  See you on Monday at the court.
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  help, i need info for trial

  by needs_lots in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i need to know where abouts in the jw books does it say that you must obey your elders, and that if you don't listen, you can be disfellowshipped.

  at the trial on friday, the head of bethel said that no one in the organization could be disfellowshipped for not following elders commands.

  i know its written somewhere, and i have only today and tomorrow to find it.

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  Just to add to the above...

  Here is some WT stuff on AUTHORITY (as in Cartman saying "You will respect my ah-thor-i-tay"

  I have also included some other stuff that might be peripherally (sp?) important, like how a Judicial Committee requires the accusers to face the accused.

  Sorry I have not had time to clean this up or edit it down, but I thought "fast" was more important than "pretty" in this case.

  P.S. This file is stored at http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/Watchtower%20Authority%20and%20Submission.txt

  P.P.S. You might want to copy the file into a word processor to make it easier to read (stuff from the WT CD does not have Carriage Return/Line Feed and you have to scroll the page horizontally -- yuck).

  Edited by - Quotes on 22 September 2002 4:48:9

  Edited by - Quotes on 22 September 2002 4:53:2
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  I am in TEARS!!!!!!!!!! Please read!!!!

  by Jesika in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they are tears of joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  let me share with you my great news............................ someone from this board has given me the greatest gift i have had in a very long time!!!!!

  i recieved an email last night from someone asking me if i could find a place to stay they would buy my ticket so i could be at the march on the 27th.

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  That is WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!

  And the WT says that us "apostates" are evil, mean-spirited and self-centred.

  I guess this is YET ANOTHER THING they are TOTALLY WRONG about!

  ~Quotes
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  Farkel (fluff)

  by notperfectyet in

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  farkel,.

  you are a most wanted poster on this board.

  ( not to be confused with most wanted on the post office board that no one reads).

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  Farkel is definately an asset here.

  But even if he can not stay, his posts will live on in perpetuity.

  Here are Farkel's best posts, as catalogued by Farkel himself:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35778&page=1&site=3
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  HAS THIS PLACE HELPED YOU?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since so many post and chat here,and most here do not go to meetings, have you found this board to be a place that can help and refresh you?

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  After leaving, I felt somewhat alone. I knew there were many more like me, peers I could relate to. I had read Penton's and Franz's books, so I knew there were others out there, that there was life after Watchtower.

  Having finally met my peers on this forum, I am living a GREAT LIFE after Watchtower. I have met new friends right here in town. This forum allowed that.

  Thank you Simon, for your ongoing effort here!
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  My short time WITH and AS a JW

  by pincushion in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my name is 'pincushion', i reside in alberta.

  in 1989 i started studying with the jw's.

  i was really drawn to the 'truth' and after much trial and tribulation i was baptised in 1991 during a lethbridge assembly.

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  pincushion, welcome to the forum. You will find it very therapeutic.

  Great work, that restraining order! And the blowing smoke in the face. BRILLIANT!

  Good luck quitting smoking -- not because someone tells you to quit, but because you want to quit.

  Lots of love from here in Toronto! We'll see you online!

  ~Quotes

  http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com/
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  The bible and child abuse.....

  by kelsey007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  genesis 22:9&10 "and they came to the place which god had told him of; and abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

  and abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

  and they brought a sword before the king.

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  I agree with plmkrzy, most (all?) of the bible is allegory and and the written recording of old tales from the verbal tradition.

  Unfortunately, many fundamentalists (JWs included) take the bible as a literal history and interprety it literally.

  Fortunately, they do not enforce some of the dangerous stuff, like the following:

  Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 -- KILL BY STONING your son if he is rebellious

  Deuteronomy 22: 5 -- women must never wear mens clothes (does that include Levi's jeans?)

  Deuteronomy 22:13-21 -- if a newly wed bride does not bleed onto the bedsheets on her wedding night, she was a whore and must be KILLED BY STONING

  Deuteronomy 22:22 -- sexual relations with another mans slave girl is punishable by DEATH BY STONING -- to both parties

  Exodus 21:7,8 -- it is OK to sell your daughter in SLAVERY, but it is good if she becomes the concubine (i.e. sanctioned mistress) of the slave owner.

  Leviticus 15 -- a woman on her period is "unclean" for 7 days, and anyone touching her or her clothes is "unclean" for the remainder of the day (I guess if you meet a woman and shake her hand you have to ask her if she is on her period so you know if you are unclean for the rest of the day: "Hi, I'm Quotes. Nice to meet you. Are you on your period?"). Also, men who have wet dreams are "unclean" for the rest of the day. Oh, and verse 18: if you have sex, you are UNCLEAN. (I guess that is why we now call it "doing the nasty")

  Leviticus 25:44 -- slaves are OK, as long as they come from other countries.

  Exodus 35:2 -- if you work on the Sabbath, you must be KILLED

  Leviticus 11:10 -- You can NOT eat SHELL FISH (e.g. Lobsters, Oysters, etc.) because they are UNCLEAN. But...

  Leviticus 11:22 -- It is OK to eat Locusts and Grasshoppers, because they are clean (all together now.... eeeewwww!!!!)

  Leviticus 21:16-23 -- God does NOT believe in accessibility for the handicapped. In fact, they are ordered to STAY AWAY from the alter. This includes those who are "thin" or apparently, those who do not have perfect vision.

  Just something to remember when someone comes knocking on your door and says "the world would be better if we would just follow the counsel in the bible".
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  Vicki Boer trial: Friday Sept 20

  by expatbrit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some notes from the vicki boer trial today (friday).

  the morning was taken up by testimony and cross examination of dr. silver, an expert witness in psychiatry called by watchtower.

  the basic thrust of his testimony was to minimize the trauma experienced by vicki during the four different interogations by the elders and confrontations with her abuser.

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  Expat said:

  And Watchtower, you filthy lying scum, when he does I sincerely hope his evidence hangs your putrid, dishonest carcasses up to rot, together with the pus-filled organization you call the true religion.

  I agree! As the Emperor in Star Wars said to the young Luke Skywalker: "Let the hate flow through you"

  Damn, I'm sorry I had to miss this past week. I figure 85% chance of me being there on Monday, though. Hope to see some of you then, once again.

  Mouthy, I'm sorry about your back, and am sending you and electronic (((((((HUG))))))) to feel better -- but not to squeeze so tight that it hurts your back any more than it already is
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  They're on my campus!

  by Ephanyminitas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  say it ain't so.

  you'd be lying.

  ) i knew it'd happen eventually though: witnesses set up a table here at my university.

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  jschwehm, excellent work!

  You might not have heard from young Bro. Pioneer, but I'll bet you planted a seed of critical thinking which will blossom into a mighty tree of healthy skepticism and logical analysis.

  As for the others: they sound dim-witted enough to require being institutionalized. Or be part of the WT institution. Either way.
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  email: naive JW sister, YOUR SUGGESTIONS?

  by Quotes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just received another email from this young sister that is so confused she thinks my website/email is the *real* watchtower.

  for the record, here is the his correspondence so far: .

  first letter, received august 11, 2001 12:09 hi, my name is [name removed] &im seventeen years old and im from waco,texas.

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  Here is what I just sent off. I did not lie. I did not misrepresent. Everything I said here is TRUE! Remember, this letter was sent to [email protected], and this response makes sense as coming from that same person/group.

  Dear [name removed] Thanks for writing to us once again. It is truly our pleasure to hear from you! We met so many people this past summer, we can't say for sure if we remember seeing you personally. Feel free to send a small picture of yourself to help our memory. Do you remember the name of the person(s) you met here? Perhaps you have a photo of you together with them. At any rate we are pleased you are continuing your study of, and search for, truth. No doubt you find our website extremely useful in your studies. If you can, please study our website often. (http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com) It would also be great to show some of this information to your father, who doesn't share your faith. We believe this will be truly beneficial for him. Perhaps you could simply say "Dad, here is something interesting I would like to share with you" and then show him the web page. Or leave the computer logged into our site when you know you dad will come by and see it. By the way, some of the best web pages for opening people's eyes are the following:

  • http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/aluminum.htm
  • http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/pyramid.htm
  • http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/ideas.htm

  These are only recommendations, really any of the information at our site should truly be beneficial to both you and your entire family, especially your father. We can not address directly the requirements for Bethel, however study and knowledge are always important, no matter where one ends up in this life. Again, we urge you to study the above mentioned points. With much brotherly (agape) love, [email protected]
  http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com

  Edited by - Quotes on 19 September 2002 22:15:30