Quotes

Joined

• started 111 topics
• posted 2,113 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Quotes

• 
  24

  Meat Tree

  by EvilForce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was an elder that i was out in service with one afternoon and durin lunch we got into a discussion about vegetarianism.

  i am a vegetarian and have been since having a "bad experience" with meat.

  (i don't care if others eat it, i just don't like it...so no judgements from me.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  About the "Meat Tree"
  
  The Bro. that suggested this must have really be working the DoubleThink overtime!
  
  Think about what this "Meat Tree" concept implies:
  
  

  • Killing animals for meat is/will be "wrong" and not permitted
  
  
  • but actaully eating meat tastes good and therefore is "right"
  
  
  • god created the dichotomy of the previous two points
  
  
  • god will recognize he created an untenable dichotomy, so...
  
  
  • god will use his powers to make a "meat tree" (which would mean he'd have to re-write the book on plant biology)

  
  
  While we're at it, why not make a "Sex Tree" which we can have sex with?
• 
  29

  left out in the cold

  by donald in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello im new to this...my wife and i are still baptized....but weve not gone to meetings regulary...for some time now...even though we still go to the memorial.....and we are wondering if to go back.....here without being too specfic is our story.

  i was rasied in the truth...she was not...she got baptized...about 3 years after we were married..i was made a m.s.

  in 1990...but becuse of personal reasons i stepped down shortly after..i conecentrated on raiseing my family..and had to work 2 jobs to support them......3 children.....then a few years later my wife left me for some one else...and then i got very sick...and was told my kidney was failing....a elder came to my house and told me that if there was anything i neede that all i had to do was ask...well...a few weeks later i asked this elder...if he could get a couple of young brothers to hep me get rid off some boxes of stuff my wufe had left behind..because i could not lift them...he told me in a reproachful tone...get your family to help you...this after he had told me weeks before...to ask him for help........i thought at the time its no big deal....but then something else happen to call into question all about jw.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  Donald, welcome to JWD!
  
  Hope you stick around and contribute more of your experiences.
  
  BTW, here is some more reading material from the publications of the Watch Tower Society: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/.
  
  You might find the section on "Medical and Science" of interest to you!
• 
  18

  Where did the year "1914" come from???

  by Donkey Lipz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  .

  i was in the "truth" for 5 or 6 years...i asked many pioneers,elders, other brothers and sisters...all of them really confused...one elder told me it had sumthing to do with one of daniel's prophecy's??.

  can someone explain to me fully about the "1914" situation??

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  joenobody:
  
  Yup, that is an important point. Even if you accept the New Light doctrine, and can dismiss all of the many, MANY misses in predictions, what you are left with, the "Current Light" still does not fit the facts.
  
  They say WWI was the *RESULT* of Satan's arrival on earth. Then how did this *RESULT* occurr three months *BEFORE* his arrival?
  
  The other JW thing that bugs me: they try to say that WWI "came out of nowhere, was a complete surprise, seemingly without cause". What total and utter Bovine Excrement. There were *TWO* Balkan Wars (not one, but *TWO*) just a couple of years before WWI. The entire region was unstable; as it has been for centuries. That is why one assasin's bullet could start yet another war. It wasn't Satan the Debil, it was centuries old land disputes.
  
  WT would have us beleive that prior to August 1914, all of Europe was A Paradise(tm), with calm, smiley, happy people. Compleletly untrue. Just tour the warm museum of any Balkan country (I've been to the Romanian war museum in Bucharest). You will quickly realize that prior to 1914 was not only bad, it was arguably WORSE than post-1914.
  
  This is another reason why Watchtower doesn't want people going to college: a rudimentary introduction to history destroys their lies.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Lies, Damn Lies, and Present Truth" class
• 
  12

  LMAO..... F'n HYPOCRITES!!! The angels are working...

  by upside/down in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night we went to a local honky tonk to see a band we really really like.

  they play led zeppelin, aerosmith, ac/dc, some really bitchin blues and are just as good as good can be.... .

  so as the wifey and i are there with a bunch of our new worldly friends celebrating ones 46 b-day and having a rip roaring wholesome good time.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  Thanks for the story, U/D.
  
  Hey, maybe those "sisters" are on the slow exit themselves?
  
  Too bad you didn't have one of those new-fangled video cell phones. You could then send a little file to the local elders, and assist these sisters with their exit by speeding it up a bit!
  
  ~Quotes, of the "LMAO too" class
  
  Edit to add: Your anecdote gets +10 points for properly using the word "porneia". :-)
• 
  26

  WHO IS WORSE TO A JW, A PAEDOPHILE OR AN APOSTATE?

  by diamondblue1974 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hearing about the child molester in glasgow who has been charged but not disfellowshipped did cause me to think a little;.

  as an apostate you can be shunned without the need for a jc meeting irrespective of the fact that you might be repentent (not if you have any sense though); however the child molester mentioned hasnt been disfellowshipped!!?

  ?...if this is true doesnt it clearly highlight the wts f**cked up sense of morals?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  (Quotes puts on his JW hat for a moment)
  
  

  A Paedophile is committing a sin. A terrible, terrible offence. But as such, his "sin" is no different from any other sin: smoking, drug addiction, homosexuality, etc. The important question (to a JC): "Does this person appear to be repentant?"
  
  An apostate, OTOH, has committed the ultimate sin: a sin against the Holy Spirit (aside: how can you sin against a non-personified radar-like inanimate force?). By definition, they are unrepentant. They have not fallent victim to a weakness (as in the examples above) but have actively chosen to rebel against Jahoobee's Organization.
  
  Therefore, an apostasy is the WORST sin.

  
  
  (Quotes removes JW hat, shudders, and vomits all over the keyboard.)
• 
  17

  Prayers: Who's are Truly Worthy?

  by prophecor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  am i mistaken, or did we as jehovah's witnesses have the belief that we were the only people who could pray to god, and that it was regarded as a privelege that exclusively belonged to us, alone?.

  is that not the height of all arrogance?.

  i've been vanished for over ten years, but is this still watchtower dogma?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  According to Watchtowerism, "Prayer is a RESTRICTED PRIVLEGE". Only if you are both baptised into Watchtowerism, and in "good standing(tm)" does god hear your prayers.
  
  Proof: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/prayer.htm
  
  I wonder: if I do pray, since I'm not worthy to be heard, does this force god to cover his ears and shout "La La La! I'm not listening to Quotes' prayer! La La La!!!!"
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Always Asking Questions" class
• 
  32

  Thought it was about time I spill my guts...

  by Krystal in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have already posted bits and bobs about my "story"... i like the companionship i have found here and i feel it about time i get this off my chest, so here it goes.

  i am a 20 year old montrealer (it is me above!

  ) who was brought up a witness from the day i was born.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  You have been through much for such young age.
  
  Glad you are here!
• 
  30

  I was snubbed by a 'dub

  by Dawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the last month i left my job of 15 years for a new company (better benefits, room for advancement, yadda yadda).

  i'm pretty excited about this new job - and it's a very large company.

  there are over 4,000 employees in just this one branch division that i work in.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  Congrats on the new job.
  
  Sounds like you have moved on with your life to a much better place!
  
  As for the janitor, good work. Perhaps somewhere this Dub will related their "experience" in a meeting and the Elder will say "What a FINE WITNESS(tm) you (the Janitor) provided, showing your resolve to not associate with opposers and apostates"
  
  I, on the other hand, would like to say, "Dawn, what a FINE ANTI-WITNESS you provided, demonstrating both your level of professionalism and humanity, while revealing the high-control of Watchtowerism for all your coworkers to see. WELL DONE!".
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Kingdom Cleaning Servcies" class
• 
  19

  Anyone Experience Something Similar After Exiting

  by love2Bworldly in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am starting to remember something weird when i left the jw's, but wonder if it's a physchological manifestation of the brainwashing & control they had over me and the guilt trip/fear of being 'bad'.

  i remember when i used to look up toward the sky sometimes and pray a silent prayer to jehovah.

  after i got disfellowshipped, i felt like when i looked up and thought about god that there was almost a physical ceiling on the other side of the blue sky that curtained me off from jehovah hearing my prayers.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm........
  
  I'm not sure where you got the idea that prayer was a restricted privlege...
  
  oh, wait a minute:
  
  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/prayer.htm
  
  Never mind!
  
  ~Quotes, of the "unrestricted" class
• 
  11

  Ode to an Elder

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he was an older man.

  a man that i looked up to.

  he was also a business man who owned his own plumbing business.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Quotes

  Kind of gloomy, but a good post nonetheless, Nos.
  
  Reminds me to bear in mind: these people are VICTIMS, they are propagating a lie only because they think it is truth. We should never forget that; never forget their motivation.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "know your enemy" class