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  Tom Cruise (Scientologist) vs. Brooke Shields (Postpartum Depression)

  by Scully in

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  not what they expected; moms with postpartum depression overwhelmed with feelings of guilt, worthlessness.

  the ottawa sun .

  thu 28 jul 2005 .

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  foreword said:
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  Kind of like telling a person with cancer that their cancer is not real and all they have to do is to tell their brain they don't have cancer and they won't.
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  The really scarey thing is: Scientologists *DO* believe this
  
  Two years ago I was assisting a friend gather some items on his way into the hospital -- he would die there 3 wks later. He was heavily jaundiced due to esophogeal (sp?) cancer spreading to his liver. (Although we wouldn't know that was the problem for a couple more days; all we knew was that he was, literally, yellow and needed some serious medical attention).
  
  As we walked down Toronto's Yonge Street, past the Scientology recruiting centre, we bumped into a client of my sick friend's (my friend was an accountant). This client was/is a Scientologist; we already knew that.
  
  After asking about my friend's health (due to the obvious problems, severe jaundice is not easy to hide) he said something about "we have something to help you here.... seriously, we can help you HERE...[motioning to the Centre]"
  
  It was all I could do not to laugh directly in his face... no, actually I wanted to punch him. Did he actually think that a session on the "E-Meter" would help? Sheesh.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "worst month of my life" class
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  Tom Cruise (Scientologist) vs. Brooke Shields (Postpartum Depression)

  by Scully in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  not what they expected; moms with postpartum depression overwhelmed with feelings of guilt, worthlessness.

  the ottawa sun .

  thu 28 jul 2005 .

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  "You don't know the history of psychiatry, Matt. I do."
  
  If only Matt's next question were to challenge the statement and reveal that Cruise has received only misinformation: "Really, Mr. Cruise? Tell me, how and where did you study the history of psychiatry? Have you recently obtained a degree in Medical History, and if so, from which institute? Harvard? UCLA? Or is this more a hobby? What books have you read? Biographies of Jung and Freud?"
  
  In short: Tom cruise "knows" psychiatry in the exact same way that JWs are "bible students".
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Risky Business Fan, nonetheless" class
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  Another perpetual motor built in Russia

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/15849_perpetual.html

  another perpetual motor built in russia07/23/2005 12:41. for the last five years the inventor has been waiting for official recognition of his device.

  vyacheslav strushchenko decided to invent a magnetic motor in 1975. the inventor read more than a hundred books to gain necessary knowledge.

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  Elsewhere,
  
  I predict you won't, ever.
  
  There is that nut in Florida whose name escapes me, that claims to have such a motor/device. He has been saying that his next prototype, which will prove to the world the concept, is just a few months away. He has been saying that since I was in public school (I'm now 37). Last I heard, he is still just a few months away from releasing it to the world.
  
  *YAWN*
  
  In my Junior year, my Heat Engines and Thermodynamics Professor told us the following aside: In his position, he frequently (I think he said several times per year) gets someone wanting him to examine their plans for a "perpetual motion machine".
  
  At first glance, he said, the plans do show a net-positive energy output; however closer examination always yields a mistake buried in the elaborate/complex plan; usually the mistake was simple a sign reversal (i.e. positive instead of negative) associated with an "uphill energy flow". In laymans terms, it means something like expecting a cup of coffee to spontaneously heat up.
  
  Reactions by the inventor upon revealing this mistake resulted in everything from humble confusion and embarassment, to angry claims that this tenured Professor "doesn't understand the system". People don't like to have their cherished pet peeves exposed to the light of day --gee, that sounds like a religion I know!
  
  ~Quotes, of the "would love to eat crow on this one, but don't expect I ever will" class
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  Mormon myth: The belief that the church is the fastest-growing faith in the

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  very interesting article, shows how churches can "cook the books".

  randy.

  keeping members a challenge for lds church mormon myth: the belief that the church is the fastest-growing faith in the world doesn't hold up by peggy fletcher stack .

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  At the risk of causing Qcmbr to get "puffed up with pride", I would like to note the following caculation. You see, when I once noted to my mother that other religions do door-to-door peddling (and therefore, JWs are not unique) and mentioned the Mormons as the prime (and arguable, largest denomination) example, she said Yes, but they only do it for two years! (i.e. she felt the measure of their sacrifice was insufficient).
  
  So....
  
  Mormon: (assume 7.5 hour days, five days/week, and two weeks off for holidays)
  (2 years) x (50 weeks) x (35 hours/wk) = 3500 hours
  
  
  JW: (assume the average dub with 10 hours/month)
  (3500 hours) / (10 hours/month) = 350 months = 29.16 years
  
  IOW, it would take the average Dub almost 30 years to get in as many hours door-knocking as the average Mormon who does it for "only" two years.
  
  Now, I think it is pointless to try and compare these apples and oranges, but if someone (like my mom) uses time as the yardstick, then turn it around and use that same yardstick back against them.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Talking through my hat" class
  
  P.S. I first saw this posted by someone else on this board, but forget who; credit to whoever you are!
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  Deep meaning of my thread

  by gringojj in

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  2. friends

  many of you have read the post entitled "how fortunate we are!!!!!".

  but few if any know the origins behind it.

  so i will now explain why the quetzal thread came to be.. .

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  Resplendent!!!!
  
  I find your threads truly Resplendent!
  
  I'm just glad that the route you travelled started with the Quetzel bird, and not with Young people ask: should I get a cell phone?
  
  Your results would be the same, but we'd all be saying something like "wireless" instead of "resplendent".
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  No part of this world?

  by gringojj in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i understand that the wts has investments, stocks, real esate, mortgage company, car sales, finance company, publishing company, and i am sure they have other interest that i dont know about.

  how can they say they are no part of this world?

  they make a big deal that they dont vote in elections, but isnt having all these investments in business just as bad?

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  MidwichCuckoo said:
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  If they weren't part of the World, they'd be living similar lives to the Amish.
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  You beat me to it! I was thinking the same thing.
  
  The Watchtowerites have much to learn from the Amish about being "no part of the world".
  
  BTW in no way should this post be construed as supporting or agreeing with the Amish; I'm just saying that as far as isolated cults go, the Amish are better at the isolation part. The Branch Davidians were also pretty good too.
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  I RANG THEM!!!!!!

  by Evanescence in

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  the kingdom hall?

  jw: if you want to learn more about the jehovah's witnesses then you can always come down to the kingdom hall in (town) .

  me: oh no the school i go to is in (different town).

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  Very interesting post. Thank you for sharing.
  
  It is interesting the assumptions (or should I say, naivety [sp?]) of the Male voice: you simply asked for more information about their doctrines, and he immediately assumed you wanted to convert and he wanted to assist you to convert.
  
  What hubris! What conceit!
  
  Imagine if you had called up some company and said you wanted more information about their business. They would patch you through to the public affairs office and give you the info. I doubt they would assume you are either (a) looking to work at the company or (b) looking to purchase the company. True, those could be the reasons for the call, but you could also be a student working on a project... which of course, you are. A professional would have asked why you want to know so they could answer appropriately (or perhaps so they could apply appropriate spin, but either way, they would likely ask).
  
  Seriously, how ridiculous does this sound:
  
  Imagine phoning IBM and asking them for "more information about their business, culture, and organization."
  
  Male voice: "Well, IBM has the BEST computers in the WORLD!!! All those other computer companies don't have true computing power; their results are incorrect. But IBM is the BEST! Can you come down to the office here and fill out an application? Did you know we have the BEST retirement plan? Don't you want to retire in comfort? Well IBM is the only place you can do that"
  
  Evanescence: "Um, I just wanted to know about how your departments are organized, for my business class report."
  
  Male voice (totally missing the point): "Well, can I call you at home? [to a 15 y.o. girl???!!!???] Do you know any IBM employees that can get you a job application? Would you like to read our stock prospectus? How much money were you thinking of investing? Class A or Class B shares? Did I mention the retirement fund?"
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  Anti-Witnessesing: Passive Agressive Style Effective for Quotes

  by Quotes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, they came magazine selling door-knocking ingathering and judgeing witnessing today.

  but first, a quick background.... my wife and i have a investment property 90 minutes away from our home (a mistake btw; always invest closer to your home!

  ) and we've been there (here) full time for the past several days doing some renovations.

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  Thanks gang!
  
  Yes, interesting choice of words from my father: "confused".
  
  Seeing a history of changes and problems, factually and fairly presented, leads to "confusion"????
  
  One day I will remember to ask my father if he thinks the WTS's "history" articles about *OTHER* religions are offensive to members of those other religions because they could "confuse" people newly interested in those other religions.
  
  BTW, that is another instructive game to play with JWs: simply put the shoe on the other foot and reveal the double standard.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "only one set of scales" class
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  How the Watchtower Perverts Compassion

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  this what jesus said about mercy (matt.

  "hence when you go making gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, just as .

  the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be glorified by.

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  Justin Matton said:
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  I remember after Tsunami a letter was read telling us to send donations to the WTS instead of the relief effort. Shameless
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  Does anyone have a copy of that letter?
  
  I would like to add it to my Quotes page with the recording and transcript of a call to WTS regarding donating specifically for Tsunami Relief: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/tsunami_relief.htm
  
  Notice as you read the transcript or listen to the recording: the entire set-up sounds pretty "dodgy" (to use a Brit term). They don't have a seperate account, rather the funds should go to the general fund (World Wide Work). Only after pressing on to a second Bethelite for more info (and how many people would do that?) was the caller told to include a note saying how the funds should be directed (again, sounds like pretty dodgy accounting to me: it would be pretty easy to "lose" such a note and "accidently" misdirect money into the "pay for the new press" fund).
  
  It is also interesting to note even if you can assume the money would be properly directed to Tsunami Relief, it is clear that as of four days after the flood, the WTS still had zero plan and were relying on "worldly" news and relief agencies for their information. I guess this time the weren't "first on the scene with airplanes full of supplies, food, blankets" as I've been told by my family so many times in the past.
  
  In defence, WTS apologist have said "Hey, give us a break, we are not a charity!"
  
  My response: EXACTLY!!! You are NOT a charity. But why did you not tell that to the caller when they wanted to dontate money to a specific charitable cause? And why are you registered with governments around the world as a charity?
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Tsunami of Rationality Washing Away Watchtower Superstition and Corruption" class
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  BEING SICK IS FOR THE RICH

  by Dansk in

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  dear all,.

  please allow me to vent off a little this morning.. as most of you will already know i have a rare form of cancer - mantle cell lymphoma - for which the prognosis is extremely poor (but there have been some people who have gone a good many years beyond the average).

  i live in the uk where, not being a person of wealth, i depend heavily on the national health service (nhs).

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  Dansk, I'm rooting for you too. I'll bet everyone here is... except for maybe "Scholar" ;)
  
  Continue doing your homework as you look for treatment; between the "well meaning but ineffective" hucksters, and the "in it only for the money" hucksters, there are plenty of, well, hucksters out there. Avoid them so you can concentrate on the effective modalities, whatever that may be.
  
  Cheers!