The classic form of apostasy from the Christian faith is the denial that Jesus is the Christ. The Watchtower clearly teaches that Jesus did not die on behalf of all mankind. According to the Watchtower salvation comes from obedience to the organization. Therefore it should come as no surprise that the Watchtower regards itself as the mediator between God and man and insists that prayers be offered in the name of the organization.
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Thanking Jehovah through His organization
by FairMind inat the conclusion of the last day of our district convention just before the closing prayer the speaker (a member of the gb) said that we should give thanks to jehovah through his organization for all the wonderful things he had provided.
this comment floored me, as thanks to god is only to be given through his son jesus christ.
do you think the speakers comment was simply a slip of tongue or was he really putting the organization ahead of god's son in importance?
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Is it the preaching, that makes JW's believe they have the truth?
by sleepy indo you think it is the fact that jehovahs witness do a very obivious preaching campian, that convinces them that it is the true religion.when all the doubts you can think off have been raised they seem to just say "well we are the only ones that do the preaching work".
without the preaching work would it be harder for people to cling on to the religion, what else could they fall back on to convince themselves,it would be very difficult.
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r51785
Danny makes a very good point.
In my experience talking to "worldlings," they know virtually nothing about the teachings of the Watchtower Multilevel Marketing Corp. Perhaps the reason is that the marketing activities of the WT are so passive. For example this weekend I went grocery shopping at 11:00 on Saturday morning. Standing in front of the supermarket was a dub holding up the magazines. The dub was mute, but counting time. Very few people know anything about the dubs because very few people actually talk to them.
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The Purpose of Beth Sarim
by VM44 inbeth sarim, the house in san diego rutherford had built and lived in.. from the proclaimers book, page 76,a few years after brother rutherford?s death, the board of directors of the watch tower society decided to sell beth-sarim.
"the watchtower" of december 15, 1947, explained: "it had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the king christ jesus will make princes in all the earth (not merely in california) is based, not upon that house beth-sarim, but upon god?s word of promise.
but, did the watchtower of december 15,1947 state what was the purpose beth-sarim had fully served?.
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r51785
The book The New World shows that the purpose of Beth Sarim was to give testimony to the world which would cause the religionists of that day to gnash their teeth. Most likely all the required teeth gnashing was finished by 1947 so they no longer needed the house.
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The Purpose of Beth Sarim
by VM44 inbeth sarim, the house in san diego rutherford had built and lived in.. from the proclaimers book, page 76,a few years after brother rutherford?s death, the board of directors of the watch tower society decided to sell beth-sarim.
"the watchtower" of december 15, 1947, explained: "it had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the king christ jesus will make princes in all the earth (not merely in california) is based, not upon that house beth-sarim, but upon god?s word of promise.
but, did the watchtower of december 15,1947 state what was the purpose beth-sarim had fully served?.
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r51785
Hi VM,
I think the reason is explained in the book The New World which was published in 1942
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What Are The Differences Between A "Normal" JW & A "Worldly"( Normal) Perso
by minimus injws believe they are normal.
yet, they feel, that anyone not a witness, (aka "worldly") is abnormal.
for example, at a jw wedding, it would be inappropriate to "toast" and cling glasses to the happiness of the new bride and groom.
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r51785
Normal people don't join wacked out brain dead mid-nineteenth century end of the world religious cults/
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Hotels or Kingdom Halls- which is Important
by JT ini understand the boys are building more hotels up at the farm-.
i had a coversation with a jw about this issue and i asked them to consider-.
when folks go to bethel they are on vacation, when they go to the hall it is to worship god-.
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JT
Your post makes me remember a question I've had for awhile. I understand they have a hotel at Patterson. Do you have to be a dub to get a room there. If so how does this square with laws in the US prohibiting discrimination on the basis of religion in public accomodations? If not how do they keep the worldlings from overunning their hotel?
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"Those days will be cut short " - question
by Sirona inmy jw friend (the only one who does keep in touch) is really considering "fading".. the trouble is that she was raised a jw and is finding it all really difficult, plus her father is a prominent jw.. she mentioned to me the scripture (matthew?
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she says they always taught that this referred to the anointed and that they'd all die off if jehovah didn't cut short the days of the time of the end.. she says that if they ever change thoughts on this doctrine she would immediately leave.
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The WT teaching about the "great tribulation" being "cut short" was changed in 1969. Prior to 1969 the cultists believed that the gt started in 1914 and that Jehovah cut it "short" in the middle in 1918 and would resume it again at some later point. University of Cincinnati dropout Fred Franz decided that this long gap between the gt being cut short in its middle and its resumption was no longer theologically tenable and therefore in 1969 decided that the gt had actually not started in 1914 but would start at some future point like maybe 1975. Its cutting short now referred to the idea that it would not last a really long time lest everyone on earth die.
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The things you believed as a child
by Sirona inwhat things did you believe as a kid that now make you chuckle?.
i believed:.
that father christmas had special dust which he sprinkled into the children's eyes so they would forget they'd seen him.
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r51785
As a child I believed that in the year 1919 Jesus chose a printing company run by a drunken lawyer as his sole respresentatives on earth. When I grew up I stopped believing in that fairy tale.
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Descriptive Adjectives that describe the District Convention
by TresHappy inin my writing class, my teacher has asked us to describe something that we used to treasure but now loathe.
so my paper will be about the district convention.
i need some great words to describe my feelings...boredom just skims the surface...the best adjective gets a free pizza!
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Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT "Neutral'
by metatron inwhen a debate arises between a witness and a non-witness, "neutrality" is often used as the trump card, a final.
argument that can't be overcome: "we're the only group that is neutral in worldly affairs", they say.. but are jehovah's witnesses really neutral?.
consider that witnesses will teach the following:.
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r51785
Jehovah's Witnesses are not neutral.
They are citizens of the Watchtower nation state.
The WTBTS acts like a government. It has it's own set of laws, it's own judiciary, it wields the power of punishment over lawbreakers. It tries to control the lives of its citizens as much as any totalitarian govenment that has ever existed. It has it's own system of taxation (head tax at the circut assembly?) and drafts its citizens into compulsory service (field service). Refusal to perform compulsory service is illegal in the watchtower nations state as it is in other nations and will result in legal action by duly constituted authority (elders).
If a watchtower citizen joins the army of another nation he forfeits his rights of citizenship (disassociation) just as the citizen of any country renounces his citizenship by doing likewise.