It's easy to fix this generation teaching by playing with the numbers. First change the starting date of 607 BCE to 587 BCE. Then change the method of calculating the number of days in the seven times. The WT currently says 360 x 7 = 2520 days. But if you use a solar year calculation you get 365.25 x 7 = 2556.75 days. Change the days to years and you get the seven gentile times as 2556.75 years starting in 587 BCE. Voila, the new year for the beginning of the last days is 1971. Well earth shattering event happened in 1971 to signal the beginning of the last days. 1971 was the year the Governing Body was founded.
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Anyone explain the generation idea!
by Witness 007 ini don't understand we went thru a phase where we down played the generation so now it's the generation that knew the 1914 generation???
is that correct?
how does that even work.
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Toasting
by hoser inwhen did the jws make the rule that you couldn’t clink glasses together and raise glasses of wine?.
and why the change to being a conscience matter now?.
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I think what we have been seeing is a walking back of the religion that Judge Rutherford created. Nearly all the Pharisaic rules in the JW faith originated with Rutherford. His reason for establishing these rules was to establish a tightly knit organization which was different than every other. Adherence to these rules and the persecution that came from following them were proof of the group's righteousness. There is no longer any need for this. Expect the JW's to continue their march toward the mainstream.
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What "message" does the J.W Org. have to offer that will attract new members ?
by Phizzy inthe message they have been pushing for 150 years or so is "the end is near !"..
in the educated, civilised world, people think " yea ?
maybe because of economic meltdown exacerbated by climate change, but not from some intervention by a non-existent god".. "would you like a free bible study ?
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Phizzy, As an American I take exception with your characterization of our country. But on the other hand I must admit I fully agree with it!
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Is 1st Century advice on marriage still relevant in today’s modern world?
by liam inrepublicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.
they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.
4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.
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Not all Republicans are opposed to uncontested divorce. Gov Ronald Reagan of California signed into law the first no fault divorce law in the US back in 1969.
Gov Reagan also signed into law in 1967 a ban on open carry of guns.
Republicans sure are different today...
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Video: Governing Body's Ridiculous Viewpoint of Higher Education
by Golden4Altar ingoverning body's ridiculous viewpoint of higher education.
to see this video, please click this link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=186#p186.
g4a.
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Rattigan350: Assuming that because there have been some students arrested for rioting that a University education is bad is like assuming that because some Jehovahs Witnesses have been convicted of child sexual abuse that all Jehovahs Witnesses are bad.
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The self-appointed "slave" said this - in 1935
by BoogerMan inwatchtower august 15th 1935 - "...the greatest of all tribulations mentioned in the scriptures must come after the great multitude appears and must be that which is mentioned by christ jesus as “tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time.” that tribulation period began with the “day of jehovah”, to wit, in 1914, when the war started against satan’s organization in heaven, and reaches the great climax at the time of the battle of armageddon, the great day of god almighty.
110 years - and counting!.
other denominations claim the great tribulation is only going to last for 7 years.
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The watchtower taught that the "great tribulation" began in 1914 until 1969 when they changed the belief to the great tribulation starting at some future point (but with the lifetime of the generation of 1914).
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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem
by r51785 inthroughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.
the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.
this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.
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Scholar:
You say:
"Nothing needs to be done about 1914 for it is rock solid..."
Is that "rock solid" like the Great Pyramid?
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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem
by r51785 inthroughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.
the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.
this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.
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Throughout Watchtower history dates have been a problem. The usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road. This needs to be done with 1914. The generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span. The best thing to do would be to find a more recent date to replace 1914 ( kind of like when the Judge replaced 1874 with 1914). I have a proposal. I apologize if someone has already brought this up, but I haven't seen it mentioned.
1914 is based on a period called "The Seven Gentile Times." The Watchtower says that this is the period from the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 607 BCE to Jesus coming into kingdom power (invisibly) in 1914. The calculation is: seven times equals seven lunar years of 360 days (7 x 360 days = 2520 days). Days are converted to years thus giving us 2520 years. From 607 BCE to 1914 CE is 2520 years. But what if new light reveals that seven times is actually seven solar years? That would mean each year or "time" would be 365.25 days (365.25 x 7 = 2556.75). That means that instead of the "Seven Gentile Times" being 2520 years they would be 2556.75 years. Thus counting 2556.75 years from 607 BCE we would end at the summer of 1951. The generation of 1951 is only 73 years old! No more overlap needed!
Of course 1914 is greatly favored because World War I started. But bad things happened in 1951 as well. For instance the evil United Nations moved into its New York headquarters directly across the river from the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses. The first thermonuclear bomb was exploded. The Cold War and the Korean War. The first Jack in the Box fast food restaurant opened in San Diego. "I Love Lucy" had its television premier. (Just kidding about Lucy).
If the Governing Body likes my idea they are free to use it. All I ask in return is a lakeside villa in upstate New York.
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About the Mark of the Beast
by Kosonen ini can agree on most of what this man preaches about the mark of the beast.. https://madmaxworld.tv/watch?id=64fd01a1112661824fb397c7.
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How can you say that this is satire????? Look at all those great deals at the InfoWars store. I'm going to be stocking up on Ultimate Bone Broth Plus in order to survive the tribulatation!!
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About the Mark of the Beast
by Kosonen ini can agree on most of what this man preaches about the mark of the beast.. https://madmaxworld.tv/watch?id=64fd01a1112661824fb397c7.
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The mark of the beast is on the head or hand. You cannot buy or sell without the mark. The number is 666. I believe that the mark of the beast is the iPhone. You hold the iPhone in your hand and place it against your head. You cannot buy or sell without it. If you add 6+6+6 you get 18. When the iPhone 18 is released then will come the rapture and tribulation. Since we are on iPhone 14, there is not much time left.