Haha!We must have responded at the exact same moment. I just noticed you were interested in the stickers. I will PM you now...
nicsfreedom
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Who the hell are the Ninja Witnesses who keep...
by sooner7nc in...sneaking into my hospital while i'm there and leaving magazines in all my waiting rooms?.
it's like they have predator suits or something.
pesky boogers.. by the way, if the person or persons who are doing this ever read on this site please know that i pick them up within 30 minutes of your leaving them.. .
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Who the hell are the Ninja Witnesses who keep...
by sooner7nc in...sneaking into my hospital while i'm there and leaving magazines in all my waiting rooms?.
it's like they have predator suits or something.
pesky boogers.. by the way, if the person or persons who are doing this ever read on this site please know that i pick them up within 30 minutes of your leaving them.. .
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nicsfreedom
As sugessted above don't throw them. They will keep bringing more and counting them as placements. This is prime advertising space to educate the public by placing stickers and raising awareness. I just made some this afternoon with QR codes (quick read codes). Smart phones can scan them and watch instant videos or go to websites such as the ones mentioned above. If people are waiting in hospitals or laundromats it is a better use of time than reading those rags...
I can email you the template or I am happy to mail you the stickers themselves if you would like. Send a private message if you are interested.
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Stickers (complete with QR Code) for Laundromats
by nicsfreedom inaccording to one of our friends who visits our local laundromats the literature is out of control.
guess its time to do some real educating aka jw un-witnessing.
throwing the mags away just keeps the dubs bring back more (and counting placements) so with my friend and husbands help we are going to "stick it to the watchtower" literally:).
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nicsfreedom
According to one of our friends who visits our local laundromats the literature is out of control. Guess its time to do some real educating AKA JW un-witnessing. Throwing the mags away just keeps the dubs bring back more (and counting placements) so with my friend and husbands help we are going to "stick it to the watchtower" Literally:)
I have a variety of completed templates for 2"x4" stickers with QR codes to silentlambs.org, jwfacts.com, aawa's shunning video...If anyone would like them send me a PM and I will coordinate with you.
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Another Pet Peeve About District Conventions
by EmptyInside inwell,i haven't been to a convention since i started posting here.
but,since my family is attending one soon,i was having flashbacks.. one of the many things that would irritate me would be running into old, so-called friends.
these are ones that while in the same congregation we were close,but then,once they moved,nothing.. and it's usually them just still living five minutes away,but since they go to another hall and can't be bothered now.
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nicsfreedom
I want to copy and quote so many comments from above not sure how tho, ha! Anyway, I had some strange flash backs after reading your comments. At countless assemblies I remember feeling like I was all alone, as if I was the only one questioning what I was hearing. I absolutey dreaded the last couple of years of attending. The interactions seemed so phony. My last assembly definitely sealed the deal for me too.
Reflecting on this is making me so grateful for getting out of them! TXS
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Moving out, away and starting a new post JW life
by OneDayillBeFree inrecently at my last meeting, an older brother "in good standing" got disfellowshipped.. sitting only two seats away from him, i saw as he burst into tears as lifelong friends and family began their shunning and immediate gossip in the form of whispers came up from above the brothers and sisters in the kingdom hall.
i felt like giving him a hug and telling him that it was going to be okay and that whatever the reason for his disfellowshipment was, it didnt matter and that god still loved him but before i could muscle up enough courage to do so, he stood up in tears and left.. i shed a few silent tears for him.
i didn't see anyone else do the same.. it was at that moment that i realized without a doubt that living this way is just not worth it at all.. so i've thought about it long and hard and now i just want to move far away and just start new again.
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nicsfreedom
I moved 900 miles away and started over, which was the best decision ever. As you are learning these relationships are 100% conditional and not worth holding on to. The behavior in the KH's is disgusting and toxic. The sooner you are away from it the better. I wish I had left sooner. I received advice from some to try and hold on to these "conditional" family and friend relationships, big mistake. It was exhausting and so not worth it. Definitely plan as mentioned already tho.
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FAQ - from the official web site "Do You Shun Former Members of Your Religion"?
by therevealer inthose who were baptized as jehovah's witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned.
in fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest..
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nicsfreedom
They are actually side stepping the question and answering do they shun inactive members, not DF'd or DA'd or apostates...but I agree that it is still a lie.
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Email from my JW brother
by nicsfreedom ini will not get into details as far as defending my position, just know that when reviewing his letter he does not have all the facts.
which now, i plan to go thru, if he is willing.
i started a letter to him and then i decided to call because i do not want the aftermath of everything being in writing.
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nicsfreedom
Fernando, If I am given the oppurtunity I will share those scriptures with him. He said he wanted to hold off on discussing scriptural topics right now. I have been debating as to whether I am going to engage any JW until they research that their bible is corrupt or they can simply use a different translation for discussions. Anyway, that is a whole other topic.
Steve, You are totally right! I wish I had seen your advise before I listened to everyone around me saying "you should put him on right away".
The more I am pondering on the conversation I realize that he had an agenda. He wants to keep me slightly attached to the family so he an act like nothing is wrong when it benefits him. He also does not want his girls or non JW's relatives to think ill of him partaking in the shunning. He did not let speak very much in the convo. He doesn't understand why former members would be hurt, ridiculous! While he was talking I kept thinking he must be in a different religion then I came out of. He made comments like i hate it when people use labels...well he never answered to the fact that I have proof he called me an apostate behind my back after I moved. I will spare you all the details, but I realized he open the door so I am gonna go there....
I am starting a letter since he can't cut me off like he did in the convo. So, if anyone has any suggestions I am not rushing the letter. The communication is on my time frame now
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Email from my JW brother
by nicsfreedom ini will not get into details as far as defending my position, just know that when reviewing his letter he does not have all the facts.
which now, i plan to go thru, if he is willing.
i started a letter to him and then i decided to call because i do not want the aftermath of everything being in writing.
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nicsfreedom
That is an interesting thought Robert. If conversations continue I will definetly keep that in mind. I have thought of something similiar before, your words are more palatable, especially for his personality.
I have another quick update: He requested my friendship again on facebook (after he unfriended me a few days ago)so maybe he is coming around. He is probably a little embarrassed. I have not accepted it yet. I am trying to clean up the activity on my acount so i don't push him over the edge, ha!
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Email from my JW brother
by nicsfreedom ini will not get into details as far as defending my position, just know that when reviewing his letter he does not have all the facts.
which now, i plan to go thru, if he is willing.
i started a letter to him and then i decided to call because i do not want the aftermath of everything being in writing.
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nicsfreedom
All of you provided some great points. I am chuckling inside because it was funny to read your comments and see how intuitive you all were from reading very few words from him. More interesting than that I did not have to explain myself at all and you understood my position. It is a great reminder that there are many who truly understand each other on here. I wish I could ((((hug)))) you all right now. Just to answer a few questions:
I am the younger sibling, he is 47. Noticed how I skipped over how old I am;)
As for the other questions and clarifications some of you had: I did not run off with his ex-anything...in fact his ex-mother-in-law (nieces grandma) brought my nieces to come see me because my brother blow off to plans to have them come visit me 3 times in the last year. She had a great deal of expense in getting them to reunite with their aunt. Sounds like a real bad person that I should be rude to, right?
As for the conversation being scheduled for a 2nd witness I am not concerned. I just did not want it in writing because I do not want him to show our father, which would just invite more arguments into my life. In short, my father is the one who forbid me and my husband from saying anything to the rest of the family regarding leaving the org. He said that if we did he would not tell the rest of the family to cut off association. My father did not keep his agreement and went to my brother with the news after we left the state. Between the both of them they informed several JW's and inactive JW's to not associate with us because we are apostate. Much more has happened but I intend to write a separate blog regarding the specifics.
As for the wanting pity comments he made, I was not seeking pity from my nieces but I did explain my position to them while they were visiting. I am concerned because they are getting pressured to get baptized. Obviously, I do not want them in the same position I am. They are well aware of the shunning and disgusting behavior from JW's. Their mother has been Dfd for approx. 6 years. Hopefully, their EX JW mother is vigilant in forbidding baptism as my nieces have stated.
On to the update: He actually did call me back! My head is spinning with all the conversation so it should be interesting to try and explain it. I thought after marinating on it last night I would have clarity, I am still confused He is fabulous in saying enough that you have to read between the lines. So I am going to go off of my instinct and hope that you do not see it as judgmental and please understand I have experience with him to make this summation. Although, he understands that my motives were pure he wants me to ignore what happened in the past. Basically, he wants me to believe the organization is pure in its intentions and he doesn't think we should focus on the negativities. Because of how it is affecting him. I attempted to point out why I have learned otherwise. If he listened to half of what I said (which he typically doesn't) I have planted some seeds of doubt. He paused and seemed genuine interested in a few things I mentioned because he follow up with questions.
I would drive myself crazy trying to explain all of the discussion but there was one topic that was perfectly setup. I asked him "do you really think that Jehovah God waited until the last 100 years to pick his true religion?" He said he didn't, he chose it in Pentecost 33 CE. I said please do me a favor and pay attention to your July 15th watchtower. You are already out of date with your explanation. He said he would. I want to thank those on the board for highlighting these topics. It was very cool to know more about Watchtower news before he did, ha!!! Needless to say he was quite after that one
He just seemed to repeatly make enough excuses regarding my situation. That I really needed to keep digging for truth. Although, I stated over and over that I found out "truth" I just don't think his JW brain could justify talking to me anymore unless I was in a doubting faze. In the end I reassured him that I am not living in the past but I am in wonderful place and have found truth. I did not say it to him but I am hesitant to invite my JW family back into my life because I have become a healthy person without them in it. I know I am getting ahead of myself because it isn’t very likely that they will really have anything to do with me. I may need to readjust my thinking on that. I just know deep down they have selfish motives for wanting me barely attached to them. OK, I am rambling now so I better stop.
Thank you again for all the great advice!
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Email from my JW brother
by nicsfreedom ini will not get into details as far as defending my position, just know that when reviewing his letter he does not have all the facts.
which now, i plan to go thru, if he is willing.
i started a letter to him and then i decided to call because i do not want the aftermath of everything being in writing.
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nicsfreedom
I will not get into details as far as defending my position, just know that when reviewing his letter he does not have all the facts. Which now, I plan to go thru, if he is willing. I started a letter to him and then I decided to call because I do not want the aftermath of everything being in writing. He did answer my call but we agreed to have the conversation 30 minutes from then. He did not call back, it could be circumstantial. If you can offer any thoughts for our conversation I am also preparing a letter that I will probably follow up with anyway. Here is a copy of his letter:
XXXX,
It seems so ironic that the last time we sat down together was in XXXX for lunch when you and XXXX were leaving for XXXX. We were so excited for you guys but we had no idea that behind the scenes you were not telling the whole truth as to why you were really leaving. After watching and observing from a distance it has become obvious to me that you have made a conscience decision to distance yourself from your family and the real Truth!
All of us have to make responsible decisions as respects our paths in life. I have no doubt about what I value and have been taught from my parents and most importantly from the scriptures. It has shaped the person I am today and will be tomorrow.
In a lot of ways it's seems disloyal to me for you to go behind my back and befriend XXXX after all she put me through with trying to ruin my reputation and not really being there for the girls when they were younger and needed a good role model.
I ask that you stop trying to get the girls to feel sorry for your position. You left us for your new start remember. As your brother you could have picked up the phone at any time to discuss any challenges or doubts about your faith or your life.
As a father I have the privilege and responsibility to love, protect, and give XXX and XXX the best possible guidance and direction in life. Although I am not a perfect, I ask that you respect that. Life is a work in progress...
Your brother, XXXX